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Action: oz_ thinks just found a typo in fai-setup , line 160
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08:50 h01germoin
08:53 stockholmim warmen spanien?
08:53 stockholmwie war das, wann wollen die debconf9 halten?
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09:04 tokkeemikap: Ha! ;-)
09:04 mikaptokkee: 8-)
09:06 h01gerstockholm, mitte jul
09:06 h01gery
09:07 stockholmdas ist ja ziemlicher wahnsinn bei der hitze, oder?
Action: tokkee ist es etz schon zu warm ... ;-)
09:19 stockholmund, kann man die debconf dann nicht in eine jahreszeit legen zu der man sich noch wohlfühlt?
09:23 h01gerstockholm, nein, geht nicht. dann sind die unterkünfte belegt. cesar hats versucht, der weiss ja auch, wie warm es hier wird :)
09:26 stockholmok
09:34 Mrfaih01ger: #497034
09:37 Mrfaih01ger: 441804
Action: h01ger looks
09:41 h01gerMrfai, ist doch ein super bug :)
09:48 oz_hm. my make-fai-nfsroot does not create an initrd, which causes fai-cd to fail
09:49 oz_is that dependend on the kernel version in the nfsroot?
09:49 stockholmwie viele sind denn jetzt in extremadura von debian?
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09:59 Mrfaistockholm: 4 Leute: holger, mika, tokkee und ich
10:00 Mrfaioz_: please more details on your error messages
10:01 oz_linux-image-2.6-486: Depends: linux-image-2.6.18-6-486 but it is not going to be installed
10:01 oz_I'm now doing this on debian original
10:03 h01gerstockholm, von debian mehr, von fai wir 4
10:04 Mrfaidie vier Musketiere :-)
10:04 MrfaiMist, waren ja nur drei
10:10 oz_komische dependencies..."linux-image-486" in the NFSROOT File doesn't work, "linux-image-2.6.18-4-486" does.
10:12 h01gerlinux-image-486 gibs halt nicht :)
10:12 h01gerlinux-image-2.6-486 sollte es geben
10:13 oz_linux-image-486 - Linux kernel image on x86 <- mein apt zeigts
10:13 oz_*wunder*
10:15 h01ger"apt-cache policy linux-image-486" sagt was?
10:15 h01ger"rmadison linux-image-486" sagt nämlich nix
10:15 h01ger:)
10:15 tokkeelinux-image-486 |  2.6.26+16 |      unstable | i386
10:16 tokkeeh01ger: Uh?
10:16 h01gerkA
10:16 tokkeeAber hatl i386-only ;-)
Action: h01ger tried "rmadison linux-image-286" :)
10:17 tokkeeWhat should we do about !amd64 !i386 architectures?
10:18 tokkeeThose are basically untested, I suppose ...
10:21 h01gertokkee, bugnr?
10:22 h01gerthose arch work very fine with softupdates
10:24 tokkeeh01ger: E.g. #494417 ...
Action: h01ger replied to the bug
10:37 oz_h01ger: shall I paste the reply on my box?
10:42 h01geroz_, von rmadision?
10:42 h01geroz_, nö, danke :)
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Action: tokkee updates his Sid pbuilder chroot ...
10:43 h01gerhttp://newpeople.debian.org/~glandium/bts/f/fai.png - uiuiui ;)
10:43 _spqmoin
10:44 _spqwie kann ich die fai version in nem nfs root rausfinden?
10:44 Mrfaichroot /srv/fai/nfsroot/live/filesystem.dir dpkg -l fai\*
10:45 _spqdanke
10:45 _spq3.1.8 ... hmm
10:47 _spqdie changelog is ja schon recht lang... ^^
10:47 oz_Mrfai:         [ -e .rhosts ] && chown $LOGUSER:$logusergid . .rhosts || true <- I added a blank after "-e .rhosts", then it did not complain anymore
10:47 oz_fai-setup, line 160
10:50 stockholmholger, mika, tokkee, Mrfai und wieviele von debian?
10:51 mikapstockholm: 12 leute von embedded-debian AFAICS
10:51 stockholmcool
10:53 tokkeeoz_: Yeah - that space's required ...
10:53 Mrfaioz_: very old bug that is already fix! which old version are you using? :-)
10:54 oz_fai FAI 3.2.8, 15 Jun 2008. Copyright (C) 1999-2008 Thomas Lange
10:54 oz_*shrug* just updated today
10:55 tokkeeAbout #497066: Is that patch applied already? Or is it waiting for some confirmation?
10:55 tokkeeEither case would be nice to be documented in the bug report, i.e. pending or moreinfo tags.
10:55 Mrfaioz_: ok bug ist shcon was aelter, der fix nicht ganz so alt:
10:55 _spqhm, einer der server die ich neuinstallieren wollte ist nicht wieder hochgekommen, kann das daran liegen das er eth1 statt eth0 als main nic hat? (fai 3.1.8)
10:55 Mrfai  * fai-setup: fix syntax error (closes: #488404)
10:55 Mrfaiin 3.2.9 gefixt
10:56 oz_ah
10:56 oz_neuer komm ich mit etch nicht, ne?
10:56 tokkeeWhy does setup-harddisk ignore "WARNING: You are not superuser"?
10:58 Mrfai3.2.9 sollte mit kleinen aenderungen auch mit etch laufen. s/lenny/etch/g
11:00 oz_blöd, das die fai-cd mit 880M bissle über ner CD liegt...
11:01 h01gersqueeze!
11:01 h01ger;)
11:01 oz_how?
11:01 mikapsquashfs wäre die lösung :)
11:01 oz_die vielen x-server dinger fressen enorm
11:01 stockholmAXFS!
11:02 _spqach und noch ne kleinigkeit - sind probleme mit bestimmten höherwertigen cisco switches bekannt die dazu führen das die rechner wärend des boot vorgangs keine dhcp anfragen rausschicken können? ich hab da so auto port negotiation zeugs im sinn als die übeltäter...
11:02 h01ger_spq, kaputtes netz ist ne beliebte fehlerursache, ja...
11:02 h01ger(oder 2 dhcp server im netz)
11:02 oz__spq: mit sind bestimmte höherwertige cisco admins bekannt, die da nen timeout so hoch setzen, das man kaum durchkommt...
11:03 h01ger(was halt eine untermenge von "kaputt" ist :)
11:03 Mrfaioz_: versuch mal gnome-desktop mit gnome-base zu ersetzen
11:03 oz_Mrfai: werd ich gleich mal machen
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11:04 Mrfai_spq: ja hatte ich frueher auch. Bei cisco hilft sowas wie fastport. Ein dhcp relay/gateway kann auch probleme machen
11:04 _spqnaja
11:04 _spqmit nem billig switch dazwischen funktionierts :)
11:04 oz_gnome-base gibt hier nicht...
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11:05 _spqdieses fastport ist vermutlich eine einstellung die den portschneller aktiviert statt ne halbe std auf irgendwas zu warten?
11:09 Mrfaioz_: gnome-core, da fehlen dann aber viele sachen. Ich denke ich ewrde gnome-desktop-environment ersetzten durch gnomer-core und ....
11:10 Mrfai_spq: fastport disabled den spanning tree algorithmus
11:10 _spqfalls sowas in ne faq passt: der link hier ist recht gut http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps700/products_tech_note09186a00800b1500.shtml
11:10 Mrfai_spq: das wuerde gut ins wiki passen
11:20 tokkee.oO( FAI should use Git ... ;-))
11:21 h01gerja!
11:21 h01gernext year :)
11:21 mikap[x] signed ;)
Action: Mrfai will look at git after the bug count for FAI is down to zero ;-)
11:24 oz_hm. gnome-desktop durch gnome-core zu ersetzen bringt grad mal 58M
11:24 mikapoz_: aber dann sollte evolution z.b. nicht mehr dabei sein, oder?
11:25 oz_evolution-data-server is da
11:25 mikapörgs, wie kommt das rein?
11:25 mikapevolution-data-server zieht sch**** viel nach
11:26 mikapoz_: ahhhh, versuchs mal --without-recommends
11:28 oz_wo gehört das '-without-recommends' hin?
11:30 _spqhmm, könnte jemand mit wiki rechten nen faq eintrag erstellen? unter http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php/User_FAQ#More_technical_stuff_.2F_troubleshooting nen neuen Punkt: "NO DHCP/PXE communication during bootup" : The Spanning Tree Protocoll introduces a larger(~1minute) delay, on Cisco switches enabling the Fast Port option help. More Infos: shttp://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps700/products_tech_note09186a00800b1500.shtml
11:31 h01gerMrfai, please fix 452375 too as you already removed the documentation for boot floppies in the guide :)
11:32 tokkee.oO( for bug in `bts select source:fai status:open`; do echo "" | mail $bug-done@bugs.debian.org; done
11:32 tokkeeOkay, so we can switch to Git now ... ;-)
Action: tokkee runs ...
11:32 mikaptokkee: *ggg*
11:33 mikaptokkee: [x] done ;)
11:34 oz_mikap: 13:28 < oz_> wo gehört das '-without-recommends' hin?
11:35 mikapoz_: ich schau grad
11:35 tokkeemikap: Great - let's go to the beach ... ;-)
11:36 mikapApt::Install-Recommends muss man in apt.conf auf false setzen
11:36 mikaptokkee: alright, do you need some coffee as well?
11:37 oz_mikap: naja...
11:37 oz_ich glaub ich steig einfach auf DVDs um... :)
11:37 h01gerMrfai, you are a DD and can upload any package to the archive. drink + dupload with responsebiliy
11:37 tokkeemikap, h01ger: Btw. - git://git.tokkee.org/fai.git - auto-synced four times a day ...
11:38 mikaptokkee: coooooooool
11:38 tokkeemikap, h01ger: In case you missed that ;-)
11:38 mikapcloned it now :)
11:39 tokkeemikap: Currently, it's manually synced more than four times a day ;-)
11:41 mikaptokkee: perfect :)
11:42 mikaptokkee: what are you using for syncing? git-svn?
11:42 oz_hm. wasn't an nfsroot 50M in size in earlier days?
11:42 oz_331M    /srv/fai/nfsroot
11:42 oz_I wonder
11:43 mikap~400MB nowadays, yeah
11:43 h01gerMrfai, aus dem postinst von debian-edu-archive-keyring: (mind the edu!)
11:43 h01gerif [ -x /usr/bin/apt-key ]; then
11:43 h01ger    # update only uses /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-*.gpg
11:43 h01ger    #/usr/bin/apt-key update
11:43 h01ger    /usr/bin/apt-key add /usr/share/keyrings/debian-edu-archive-keyring.gpg
11:43 h01gerfi
11:43 h01gerdas postinst von debian-archive-keyring ruft nur "apt-key update" auf.. (siehe kommentar bei d-e-a-k)
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11:45 tokkeemikap: Yap.
11:46 mikaptokkee: nice, thx
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12:31 _spqhm, wie kann ich nen key installieren der für mein lokales debian repo notwendig ist? (zzt mache ich das manuell nach der installation, da wärend der installation zum glück die authentizität(SCHREIBT MAN DAS SO? :) nicht geprüft/ignoriert wird
13:28 h01ger_spq, http://paste.debian.net/16374/
13:30 tokkeeMrfai: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#tags
13:31 tokkeepending - A solution to this bug has been found and an upload will be made soon.
13:31 _spqdanke
13:40 tokkeeMrfai: This is an example of what I'm doing to tag some bug pending: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=494665#20
13:46 h01ger"bts 123456 tag +pending" should probably also work :)
13:47 tokkeeh01ger: "P.S.: no need to cc: me, I'm subscribed to the PTS :)" - then tell the bts to not include your email address in Reply-To: ;-P
13:50 h01gerhehe
13:50 h01gertokkee, thats actually a real nice wishlist bug
13:51 tokkeeh01ger: Ack - a) automatically subscribe the submitter and then b) don't set Reply-To at all ...
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14:33 h01gerMrfai, why did you close 342352? (it was wontfix already) i was thinking of documenting this in the guide :)
14:33 h01ger</minor comment>
14:35 tokkeeHrm ... fai-quickstart.prerm _requires_ user interaction - that's kind of paradox ;-)
14:41 h01geruh
14:41 tokkee"Package maintainer scripts may prompt the user if necessary. Prompting should be done by communicating through a program, such as debconf, which conforms to the Debian Configuration management specification, version 2 or higher. Prompting the user by other means, such as by hand[8], is now deprecated."
14:41 tokkee(Policy 3.9.1)
14:45 tokkeeThere are tons of bugs which are tagged "patch" but which did not even get any comment by Mrfai ... :-/
14:46 _spqthats the problem of an easily extendable system :)
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14:48 thehi
14:48 thecan anyone here help me in fai
14:49 Mrfaiyep, maybe
14:50 thehow can I setup this fai
14:50 thebefore this I try to use pxe
14:50 thebut It wont work for me
14:52 tokkee"Source for fai is (unknown)." ... Uh!?
14:52 tokkee(from http://bugs.debian.org/464541)
14:52 thecan I use fai on redhat or ubuntu
14:54 theMrfai, hi
14:55 h01gerMrfai, "Debian"(-based linux) is still part of the description and wrong. (think rpm)
14:57 _spqthe, pxe is just a boot method - fai has nothing to do with that except thats it a nice thing together with fai
14:57 theis a network boot rite
14:58 thei want to install linux distro on 10 machine at 1 time
14:58 h01gerund ich würde "It contains the parts necessary to run the softupdate functionality on already installed systems, and is needed for the dirinstall functionality and others on a FAI server." umschreiben in "While fai-client is needed on a fai-server it can also be used on fai-clients without a server." - oder so ähnlich. im moment steht da nicht (am anfang) wofür fai-client hauptsächlich gut ist und was es macht...
14:58 h01gerMrfai, ^
14:58 thedo you think fai can do this
14:59 _spqthe, sure
15:00 the_sq, plz guide me
15:00 the_spq, guide me
15:00 _spqno ^^
15:00 h01gerthe, how about you read the guide first?
15:00 h01gerwe write documentation for a reason :-D
15:01 thehttp://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/download/
15:01 theok no prob
15:03 thenever mind
15:03 the:(
15:03 thethanks
15:03 thebye
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15:12 _spqhmm, ich würd gerne nen pxe+nfsroot rescue system aufsetzen, also so ähnlich wie das fai nfsroot, nur ohne fai - hat da jemand nen tip?
15:13 Mrfaifai mit action sysinfo
15:13 Mrfaidu kannst auch eine eigene action rescue definieren
15:14 _spqhmm, naja wenn ich fai benutze hab ich immer angst das ausversehen doch mal was auf der hdd angerührt wird
15:15 Mrfaiin jedem rescue system ist auc hein rm drin. deshalb werden aber auch nicht gleich alle Daten geloescht
15:16 _spqne - das mein ich ja nich, aber fai macht ja schon ein bsichen magic - wenn ich mich beispielsweise bei der action vertippe wüsste ich nicht was fai macht etc
15:16 tokkeeMrfai: "add cfengine2 as recommends to fai-client (closers: #442843)" ... closers -> closes
15:17 Mrfaitokkee: fixt
15:17 tokkeeMrfai: Also, the bug mentions git-core, subversion, ... which is not taken into account by that fix nor mentioned in the bug report as being unnecessary ...
15:43 tokkeeAnybody here you can reproduce #265973?
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15:49 h01gertokkee, if you cannot reproduce it with a fresh setup, i'd suggest to close it. its from 2004
15:50 tokkeeh01ger: I don't want to try to reproduce it myself ... ;-)
15:57 h01germikap wants to do a setup from scratch, so he should notice when he does that
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16:05 mikaph01ger: i'd like to do that together with all of you :)
16:06 h01gerthat scales badly, doenst it?
16:06 mikaph01ger: well, than someone together with me ;) i'm not the typical fai user, just a dirinstall-lover ;)
16:08 h01gerok
16:09 h01gerguess i can do that with you (as a typical softupdate-lover), though on this side of the table we are running short on displays
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16:48 tokkeeWhen running soft-update, where do I usually find the FAI config?
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17:17 h01gertokkee, /me checks it out from svn
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18:48 tokkeeMrfai: http://172.30.14.142/~tokkee/0001-fai-mirror-Fixed-a-typo.patch
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23:54 h01gertokkee, also completely unrelated, but while we are at it, the next upload of
23:54 h01gersyslinux will be splittet into syslinux (arch) and syslinux-common
23:54 h01ger(indep), so that the pure bootloader files can be access/installed on
23:54 h01gerany arch.
23:54 h01gerquoting http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=497270#39
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