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08:17 spq`where do i get the repo's pkey?
08:26 spq`gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys DC13E54EAB9B66FD
08:26 spq`?
08:27 spq`works but, i still get the message W: GPG error: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY DC13E54EAB9B66FD
08:28 h01gerwiki.debian.org/SecureApt
08:29 h01gerthe key is also part of the debian-keyring package, which you can install securily with apt-get. so you have a full trust path
08:29 spq`hmm
08:30 spq`i have that package installed and i have a good trust db
08:30 spq`debian-keyring is already the newest version.
08:30 spq`(und du kannst deutsch sprechen :)
08:31 h01gerdu hast angefangen :-D
08:31 spq`:)
08:31 h01gerlies dir die SecureApt seite durch
08:32 h01geroder man apt-key
08:32 h01geroder beides
08:32 spq`hab ich schon, binaber nicht fuendlig geworden
08:32 spq`-l
08:33 spq`es geht ja nicht um das debian repo, sondern um das fai eigene repo
08:33 h01gerhttp://wiki.skolelinux.no/DebianEdu/Documentation/Etch/HowTo/Administration#head-136bb7e75e07e8b6463e6b30761ac51776c5c27d - das ist zwar fuern anderes repo, aber so gehts
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08:37 spq`ah ok, danke - dachte das waere auch zu ueberspringen, wenn man mit apt-key arbeitet
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11:15 MrfaiUuuf. I solved the "short read 0< 28" problem.
11:16 MrfaiThe order of the kernel parameters root=/dev/nfs and boot=live is important.
11:17 MrfaiDo not define boot=live and then root=/dev/nfs. It does not work. I will post more details on the linux-fai mailing list
11:23 MTMrfai, this confirms lazyb0y's findings in Essen for Xen, as documented at the end of http://faiwiki.debian.net/index.php/Using_FAI_to_set_up_XEN_domains
11:26 Mrfaiit does not just confirm it, it will explain why it behaves so badly :-)
11:27 MTisn't this some kind of bug in live-initramfs?
11:29 Mrfaino. It's in initramfs-tools
11:30 MTok
11:30 MTis it documented in the BTS already?
11:30 MTthat is, is a bug filed against initramfs-tools?
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14:13 h01gerMT, #453294
14:15 MTthx
14:15 istazhi
14:16 istazif I understood correctly you can boot on your nfsroot via a cd created by fai-cd correct?
14:22 lazyb0yistaz: no, you cannot
14:22 lazyb0ythat is the part that is not yet developed.
14:22 istazok thanks
14:22 lazyb0ybut, as I told you, might be developerd faster if you tell the developers that you need that!
14:23 istazso what is the boot=nfs Mrfai was talking about yesterday? it's not functionnal?
14:23 lazyb0ywhat fai-cd dies is, it builds a cd with the _contents_ of the nfsroot, and the needed packages, and install from that
14:24 lazyb0yistaz: this is about pxe boot in general, AFAIK
14:24 lazyb0yor, nfs boot in general - xen instances don't have pxe yet
14:24 lazyb0yfai-cd does, not dies :)
14:24 Mrfaistop,stop.
14:24 lazyb0y?
14:25 Mrfaiusing the fai-cd iso image from the fai webpage you _can_ boot the kernel and initrd and using the nfsroot mounted via NFS
14:26 Mrfaithis fa-cd still includes the nfsroot and the config space which isn't needed because you will use NFS.
14:26 lazyb0yMrfai: how? is that documented somewhere?
14:26 lazyb0y(besides that: great news to me! :) )
14:26 MrfaiYou only have to edit the kernel append parameters and add ip=dhcp and root=/dev/nfs and check if the order is correct
14:27 Mrfaiso, in the next version the menu.lst for the fai-cd will include an entry for network boot.
14:27 lazyb0yMrfai: then, fai-cd should also contain some option to only create a cd with such a menu.lst - will build faster than when it includes a lot of package that are not needed :)
14:28 lazyb0y(in this new/next version)
14:28 Mrfailazyb0y: sure, this is my plan.
14:28 istazMrfai: thanks :)
Action: lazyb0y added that in the wiki for the 3.2 usage changes: http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php?title=FAI_3.2_Usage_Changes
14:33 Mrfailazyb0y: fine. Thanks
14:34 istazmake-fai-bootcd should be removed if it doesn't work, or at least it should display a warning
14:36 oz_istaz: we hope to fix it
14:37 istazto resolve the problem with unionfs I should change the kernel in the nfsroot right?
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14:48 Mrfaiistaz: the kernel inside the nfsroot must match the kernel on your boot media.
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15:08 istaz Mrfai so the fai-cd on the website can only install Debian Etch?
15:10 Mrfaiyep.
15:10 MrfaiIt only contains packages for etch.
15:11 MrfaiBTW, FAI itself was not tested on lenny by me. So I assume there are some flaws when using it with lenny or sid.
15:11 istazMrfai: I'm not using Debian but Ubuntu Gutsy ;)
15:12 Mrfaiok. I heared of some minor problems with gutsy. I hope the ubuntu guys here will give an answer.
15:12 istazso if I keep the kernel I currently have in my nfsroot it doesn't work but if I try to change it, the CD won't boot and I can't make a new one. Seem like a deadlock to me
15:13 MrfaiThere's no deadlock IMO.
15:14 MrfaiIIRC  gutsy kernel and unionfs does not work. Blame ubuntu for it and hope that they will fix it.
15:14 MrfaiYou may want to use a Debian nfsroot, but install Ubuntu with it.
15:15 MrfaiThis should work. Or try to install the debian kernel inside your gutsy nfsroot
15:15 istazMrfai: by Debian nfsroot you mean a nfsroot with debian in it or a Debian server hosting a nfsroot ?
Action: istaz is a bit confused
15:16 istazI don't understand if the unionfs problem is in the hosting server, in the nfsroot or in the bootmedia
15:16 MrfaiBTW, a college of mine here in cologne also told me to have problems when installing gutsy.
15:17 MrfaiAFAIK, unionfs and NFS is beoken in gutsy.
15:18 Mrfaittps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/150788
15:20 istazmy bosses want to reinstall the serveur under feisty (the previous release of ubuntu) but if the problem is in the nfsroot it won't resolve anything
15:21 Mrfaiistaz: a feisty nfsroot should work IMO.
15:23 istazyeah but they want to install gutsy
15:25 Mrfaiuse a feisty nfsroot and boot a feisty kernel. Then replace the feisty base.tgz inside the nfsroot with a gutsy base.tgz. Adjust the sources.lsit. That should work.
15:25 MrfaiOr pay someone to fix the gutsy problem, so that FAI will work out of the box on gutsy.
15:26 MrfaiFAI cannot work out-of-the-box on different system, if noone is doing the tests and pachtes for it. And I will concentrate on Debian.
15:26 MrfaiBut there's the FAI ubuntu team. https://launchpad.net/~fai
15:27 istazMrfai: As I understand I could fix the gutsy problem simply by changing the union-fs version and recompiling the kernel, but then I couldn't make a boot media since make-fai-bootfloppy doesn't work
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15:28 istazthat's why I was speaking of a deadlock
15:28 istazor I really didn't undertsood anything
15:29 Mrfaiyou have to use fai-cd for making the bootable CD. Just edit /etc/fai/menu.lst before and give it an empty directory as mirror.
15:30 Mrfaiit still will include the nfsroot on the CD, but will not use it, since you will specify root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp
15:37 lazyb0yistaz: your going in a circle asking the same question again... please try the gutsy stuff, and come with concrete questions... as far as I see, we should be able to get you to a working install.  and remember, make-fai-bootfloppy is deprecated on fai >= 3.2, but you can use fai-cd to replace it, at least for cd's, not for floppies
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15:47 istazlazyb0y: It seems like I had wrongly understood that I couldn't use fai-cd to replace make-fai-bootfloppy to create a boot CD
Action: istaz will try what Mrfai suggested
15:58 lazyb0yistaz: yes - not your fault, I told that, because I didn#t know better until an hour ago - sorry...
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