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06:34 sobersabreBoker tov.
06:34 sobersabreLab vakar
06:34 sobersabreDobriy Den
06:34 sobersabredzen dobre
06:35 sobersabrebom dia
06:35 sobersabreBon giorno
06:35 sobersabreGuten Morgen
06:36 Robinayor_sobersabre: hi.
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07:40 stockholmMrfai: did you get my glorious patches?
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07:53 sobersabrewill be back in hour.
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07:57 Mrfaistockholm: the ones you've send to the BTS? Yes.
07:58 stockholmMrfai: it occured to me that i might not create all the path elements necessary. i think i only tried it with one new path element
08:00 oz_moin
08:11 Mrfaistockholm: yep, I noticed that. IMO there's a perl module that can do this work, or I will do it in a small loop.
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08:15 stockholmMrfai: right
08:17 h01germoin moin
08:17 kuggm000oooOOin
08:20 h01gerMrfai, do you want to maintain fai in debian-edu (etch) - which basically means uploading the etch target fai release to our archive (i would need to add your key to our keyring and you would need to upload to another archive) - or would you prefer if you're out of it and i upload it?
08:20 h01gerwe want it in our archive, so that having the debian-edu-archive-keyring is enough to install fai. without pinning from testing or adding another archive key..
08:23 Mrfaih01ger: you can do this. But if it's really only a second upload for me *using a different dupload.conf) I can also do it.
08:23 Mrfaih01ger: BTW, do debian-edu has a BTS on its own?
08:23 Mrfais/do/does/
08:26 h01gerMrfai, yes, we have our own bts (sigh, not happy with it, historic reasons). bugs.skolelinux.no - but i can make sure to forward everything fai related to the debian bts
08:27 h01gerMrfai, it is only a 2nd upload with a different dupload.conf
08:27 h01geri would need to get approval to add your key to our keyring, but this should be easy
08:27 eartoastmoin
08:28 eartoast18:46 < Mrfai> eartoast: does your fai-classes-config also detects classes used in script after the command ifclass?
08:28 eartoastMrfai: yes
08:30 Mrfaieartoast: fine
08:30 Mrfaih01ger: ok, than I can do it. Can you send me the dupload.conf I need for uploadfing to edu?
08:35 eartoastMrfai: there is not yet a cfengine parser... and none for perl scripts, as there is nothing as easily parsable as 'ifclass' in perl scripts...
08:36 h01gerMrfai, yes, will do
08:38 stockholmMrfai: and obviously -p implies -a. if the path does not exist the file does not exist for sure
08:38 Mrfaieartoast: parsing cfengine should be easy: [a-zA-Z_-0-9]+::, examples: suenner|richmodis::, CS_KOELN::
08:44 h01gerright. a short grep in my config space revealed to "problems":
08:44 h01ger./LAPTOP/40-apt:   any::
08:44 h01ger./LAPTOP/40-apt:                DeleteLinesStarting 'Acquire::http::Proxy '
08:45 h01ger"any::" is not really a problem though :)
08:59 stockholmMT: ping
09:00 stockholmMT, Mrfai: es scheint so zu sein dass der trend im Kernel mehr und mehr zur "asynchronous device detection" geht
09:04 MTaber haben sie auch Lösungen für unser Problem?
09:04 stockholmnein, und sie sehen es auch nicht als echtes problem an
09:05 stockholm10:45 <hch> people caring about topology but not uuids is a rather rare special case
09:08 stockholmdas bedeutet dass wir probleme bekommen beim repartitionieren
09:09 stockholmdas installieren ist relativ unkritisch
09:10 stockholmcomments?
09:14 MTalso ich sehe nur die Lösung mit den Seriennummern
09:27 stockholmMT: dann müssen wir irgendwo eine liste mit uuids->partitionsmapping ablegen und beim weiderholten booten finden und verwenden?
09:34 MThmm, wie sollte das gehen?
09:38 h01gerso wie jetzt mit disk_var.sh
09:42 eartoastschaut mal an, was psibox dazu gebastelt hat...
09:43 MTwo findet man das, eartoast?
09:43 eartoastBTS
09:43 eartoastwishlist gegen fai
09:44 eartoastpatches gegen setup_harddisks
09:44 eartoastunsere fstabs mounten mittlerweile alle hdd-partitionen per uuid
09:45 MTeartoast, welche bug nummer?
09:45 eartoastwattema
09:45 eartoastmuss selbst erst wieder nachschauen
09:46 eartoastBug#416633
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09:47 eartoastund ansonsten zu disk-id: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-fai-devel@uni-koeln.de/msg00023.html
09:47 MTah, eartoast
09:47 MTmounten per UUID ist ok
09:48 MTdas geht mit setup_harddisks2 nativ
09:48 MTaber das paritionieren
09:48 stockholmwie geht das bei reboot vom netz?
09:48 MTbzw. bei preserve o.ä.
09:48 stockholmgenau
09:48 MTdas - was?
09:48 stockholmdas lesen von uuids
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09:49 stockholmdas lesen des uuid->partitions mapping
09:49 eartoastuuid is unique
09:49 eartoastdeswegen ist preserve-by-uuid etwas schwierig
09:49 eartoastman koennte / mounten
09:50 eartoastdann die fstab rauskopieren
09:50 eartoastund dann wieder unmounten
09:50 eartoastdann hast du das uuid-mountpoint-mapping
09:50 stockholmeartoast: wie weisst du wo / ist?
09:50 eartoastpreserve-by-label ist IMHO besser...
09:51 eartoaststockholm: einfach jede partition einmal irgendwohin mounten
09:51 eartoastund schauen, auf welcher etc/fstab liegt
09:51 eartoastist nicht ganz idiotensicher
09:51 eartoastaber klappt meistens ganz gut
09:52 eartoastich benutze so einen hack, um ssh-hostkeys ueber einen reinstall herueberzuretten
09:52 stockholmman könnte auch versuchen die /bootpartion zu finden und die kernel mount options zu finden
09:52 stockholmenthält das nicht die root uuid?
09:52 eartoaststockholm: das laeuft IMHO auf die gleichen probleme hinaus
09:53 stockholmwarum?
09:53 stockholmdie maschiene muss ja wohl irgendwie zuverlässig /boot finden
09:53 eartoastweil genauso zufaellig auf irgendeiner anderen partition "boot/" existieren kann
09:53 stockholmwie macht sie das?
09:53 eartoastund:
09:54 stockholmboot flag für die partion könnte ein hint sein
09:54 eartoastdu musst dich dann mit dem parsen einer grub-config herumschlage
09:54 eartoastn
09:54 eartoastoder lilo
09:54 stockholmhaben wir ein bootflag?
09:54 eartoastfstab parst sich schoener
09:54 h01geroder grub2 oder yaboot oder eilo oder was es noch fuer bootloader gibt
09:55 h01gerwir sind !i386 :)
09:55 eartoastbootflag braucht man nicht mehr, wenn man lilo/grub im MBR hat
09:55 stockholmden MBR lesen... wie findet man die disk mit dem mbr?
09:55 eartoast /etc/fstab ist simpler
09:56 eartoastdu weisst doch: KISS
09:56 stockholmeartoast: das kann simpeler sein aber nicht eindeutig
09:57 eartoastweisst du bei zwei platten, von welcher das bios gerade bootet?
09:57 eartoastalso welcher mbr von beiden der authoritative ist ?
09:57 stockholmdas ist was ich gerade gefragt habe. wie findet die maschine den MBR?
09:58 eartoasterste 512b der festplatte
09:58 stockholmwelcher festplatte?
09:58 eartoastjeder platte ;)
09:58 eartoastdann ist es sache des bios-setups
09:58 stockholmwir werden wohl systeme mit 24 oder 42 festplatte haben
09:58 eartoastwelche platte genommen wird...
09:58 Mrfaisoviel ich uuid verstehe ist das ein feature des file systems. uuid wird auch nicht von allen file systemen unterstuetzt. Somit kann uuid nicht fuer eine leere partition genutzt werden IMO.
09:59 Mrfaioder verwechsele ich das jetzt uuid und label?
09:59 eartoastMrfai: imho hast du das prob bei beiden
09:59 stockholmich weiss es nicht
10:00 stockholm10:47 <hch> the raid superblock has a uuid for the raid and an identifier which of the disks this is
10:00 stockholm10:48 <hch> but in general I'm more a fan of wwns when available then the uuids in the filesystem
10:00 stockholmkeine ahnung was WWNS ist
10:00 stockholmeartoast: wenn das bios weiss welche platte die erste ist, wie macht es das?
10:02 eartoaststockholm: das hat der user so konfiguriert... indem er die bootreihenfolge festlegt
10:02 stockholmeartoast: das ist keine brauchbare antwort :)
10:10 Mrfaikleiner test: partition auf USB stick erzeugt, ohne file system drin. /proc/partition zeigt sdc1 sauber an, /dev/disk/by-uuid nicht, /dev/disk/by-id ja. Alsi uuid gibt es nur wenn ein file system in der partition drin ist.
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10:13 h01gerfuer welche filesysteme gibts denn uuid? wenn reiser oder xfs das nicht hat, faende ich das nicht schlimm, andererseits, vfat/ntfs ist muss..
10:14 eartoaststockholm: es ist recht schwer, diese info aus dem cmos zu extrahieren ;)
10:14 stockholmvielleicht müssen wir anders denken was den preserv und resize prozess angeht.
10:15 stockholmwenn wir das partitionieren nur beim installieren machen und das preserve und resize und umpartitionieren mit softupdates?
10:15 stockholmeartoast: was denkst du dazu?
10:16 stockholmh01ger: wir möchten gerne uuids für XFS...
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10:26 Barbarossastockholm: Wofür will man UUIDs?
10:30 stockholmum harddisks zuverlässig wiederzufinden bevor du sie umpartitionierst
10:30 Barbarossahmm
10:32 eartoaststockholm: bei softupdates wird nicht partitioniert
10:33 eartoastdeswegen ja 'soft'
10:34 eartoastnochmal im channel: grub hat die information, welche disk vom bios gebootet wird, in der device.map
10:35 eartoastirgendwie muss es also diese infos vom bios bekommen...
10:36 stockholmeartoast: jetzt wird mir gesagt dass die device.map meistens falsch ist und nicht benutzt wird
10:36 h01gereartoast, ja, aber. reinstall ist auch ein sinnvolles features. softupdate erschlaegt viel, abner nicht alles
10:36 h01gereartoast, den gedanken hatte ich gestern auch schon :)
10:37 eartoaststockholm: na toll ;(
10:38 stockholmich habe scheinbar ein problem mich verständlich zu machen, kann jemand #grub joinen auf freenode?
10:41 stockholmeartoast: wenn du ein laufendes, funktionierendes system hast weisst du auch welche partition welche ist und kannst notfallst in ein maintainancesystem umsteigen und soche sachen machen
Action: Mrfai versteht zur zeit nur Bahnhof. ISt aber egal, ich geh jetzt erstmal essen
10:43 eartoastdie boot-info ist da aber auch nicht mehr so richtig da.
10:43 eartoastdu weisst halt nur, was dein momentanes root ist
10:43 stockholmeartoast: dann brauchst du aber die bootinfo auch nicht mehr
10:44 eartoastob es andere roots auf anderen platten gibt, weisst du nicht
10:45 stockholmnee, aber die kümmern mich ja auch garnicht
10:52 h01geraber welche ist die richtige?
10:55 stockholmh01ger: die die benutzt wird
10:58 h01gerbei reinstall bootest du via pxe
10:58 h01geroder von usbstick aber nicht von platte
11:17 stockholmh01ger: ja, zur zeit. aber das sage ich ja gerade: an muss das vielleicht ändern?
11:22 h01ger?
11:23 h01gerbei reinstall kannst/willst du nicht (unbedingt) von platte booten
11:23 h01gersonst kannst du wirklich softupdate machen
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12:11 oz_haha
Action: oz_ installiert nen ubuntu kernel in die nfsroot
12:12 oz_*würg*
12:14 alleeoz_: ?
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13:16 sobersabrehi all.
13:17 sobersabrecan you please take a look at http://pastebin.ca/741435 and tell me ... why would a 2 disk (hda,hdb) client fail to install with errors about setup_harddisks
13:18 sobersabrethe main disk is 80 GB, 1st partition on it is 52GB.
13:18 sobersabrethe second disk is not to be touched at all.
13:18 MTpreserve partition 1 is not valid syntax
13:19 MTyou should say
13:19 MTprimary - preserve
13:20 sobersabreoh... I think I copy-pasted it from somewhere.
13:20 sobersabrethanks!
13:20 sobersabrebut ... there may be more than 1 primary partitions on a disk ( it's 4 )
13:21 Mrfaiprimary - preserve1
13:21 Mrfaithis is th correct line
13:21 sobersabreOK.
13:21 sobersabreand:
13:22 sobersabreprimary /media/C-ntfs preserve1
13:22 sobersabreif I want it mounted ?
13:23 sobersabreprobably /media/C would be shorter.
13:25 Mrfaiyep
13:25 sobersabreI have a ... principle question: is it possible ( if yes, then how ) to remotely reconfigure BIOS/EFI setting to  make a machine boot via PXE, IBA, or other means ?
13:25 sobersabreI understand that if a machine supports management network, like IBM server, it is not so complicated.
13:26 Mrfaior: primary /media/C preserve1 ; ntfs
13:26 sobersabreis there a way to interface the bios/efi on a currently running muchine ?
13:26 sobersabreMrfai: thanks, fixing.
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13:27 Mrfaisobersabre: no, you can't read or write the BIOS from linux in a way that will be portable.
13:27 sobersabreI haven't asked it to be portable.
13:27 sobersabre:)
13:27 sobersabreI mean is there a C/python whatever library or even application to do such things ?
13:28 MrfaiTherefore I suggest to set the BIOS to always do PXR boot. Then you can use fai-chboot to tell your machine if it should startinstalltion or boot from locl disk
13:28 sobersabreis its usage in man fai-chboot ?
Action: sobersabre is reading, thanks
13:35 Mrfaisobersabre: IIRC there's a nvram kernel module.
13:36 Mrfaisobersabre: http://www.cs.usfca.edu/~cruse/cs635/cmos.c, but IMO you will never write to those hex addresses.
13:36 sobersabreyou mean in the ring the os is in ?
13:36 sobersabreyou mean the cpu will sigill me ?
13:36 sobersabreor sigsegv ?
13:37 sobersabreI think fai-chboot is the way I need.
13:37 MrfaiIMO you are able to write to those locations, but if a minor different BIOS version will just change the location of some information, you are lost.
13:37 Mrfai:-)
13:38 Mrfaifai-chbbot is your friend, not writing to BIOS addresses.
13:38 sobersabreMrfai: this means if I play with it, I better not update BIOS
13:38 sobersabretrue :)
13:38 sobersabreAll I need now is a way to remotely reboot windows machine.
13:38 sobersabreI think I'll do it via nagios.
13:39 sobersabreMrfai: do you use windows too in your labs ?
13:43 Mrfaiwin.... what? Never heared of this software.
Action: Mrfai is really happy not to use such software.
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Action: Mrfai only have installed tow notbooks dualboot
14:00 sobersabreMrfai: I wish I was as happy.
14:00 sobersabreFenstern ...
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14:01 sobersabreDo you guys call it Fenstern in Germany ?
14:01 sobersabre:)
14:02 sobersabreitalians may try: finestre di micromorbido
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14:08 woffsHi! Is there already a patch for fai-chboot to correctly handle PXE Config Files with the MAC-DHCP-ID (instead of the IP) as filename? Like de-ad-be-ef-co-ff-ee
14:11 eartoastsobersabre: you can actually use 'ipmitool chassis bootdev $something'
14:11 eartoastif you have IMPI-hardware, of course
14:11 Mrfaiwoffs: yes, I have a patch for this, but it's not yet included. IIRC the patch is for an older version and changes more things in fai-chboot. So I need time to review this patch.
14:16 woffsMrfai: can I have it, though, please? :)
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14:22 Mrfaiwoffs: I've send you an email containing the diff. You may also need to patch FAI, because the client calls fai-chboot from remote using its hostname. You have to change that to use the MAC address of the client.
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14:51 woffsMrfai: thank you! in my environment, I do not call fai-chboot from the clients yet because (a) I dont really need it, and (b) security considerations. No clusters here.
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15:26 sobersabreeartoast: how can I check if my hw is impi capable ?
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15:27 sobersabreI think the presence of "service processor" on a server is a good sign... but I remember something called "IMPI bus"
15:27 sobersabreso service processor only shouldn't be enough.
15:27 sobersabrelemme read.
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15:30 oz_just a quick question...
15:30 oz_is /srv/fai/config mounted into $target during install?
15:31 sobersabreyes
15:31 sobersabre/var/lib/fai/config
15:31 sobersabreyou can see it if you issue "mount"
15:32 sobersabrehmm..it's not into $target, but on the client.
15:32 sobersabreisn't $target is /tmp/target ?
15:32 oz_okay, thx
15:32 sobersabreoz_: do you simply want to see on the install client the config directory ?
15:33 sobersabrethen I've answered your q.
15:34 oz_i wanna install some custom kernel
15:34 sobersabreis it in the repository of your site ?
15:34 oz_nope
15:34 sobersabreinstall or boot from it during the installation ?
15:34 oz_just installing it
15:35 sobersabreand has it been prepared with make_kpkg ?
15:36 oz_the pkg does exist, yes
15:36 Mrfaioz_: you should created a local repository of your own packages. kernel is also only a deb package
15:37 oz_uhm, I always had problem with this...
15:39 sobersabreoz_: it is VERY easy to do, man.
15:40 sobersabrethe apt howto is great.
15:40 oz_sobersabre: I did not work when I tried it last time.
15:40 oz_sI did/it did/
15:55 sobersabreoz_: what exactly did not work ? ;)
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15:59 sobersabreeartoast: I think IPMI requires special BMC network ( usually comes as 10/100 Mb/s NIC )
16:00 sobersabreso, the blades usually do have it, the IBM/HP rackmounted machines also do have it, but not boxes.
16:00 sobersabreI wonder about mac minis.
16:01 sobersabreI do read about guys trying to make a cluster of Mac Minis, but ... how well do they live on the long run ?
16:01 sobersabrehas anybody here tried it ?
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16:02 sobersabrehmm.. this is all offtopic to FAI of course.
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16:08 oz_sobersabre: dunno anymore what exactly happened
16:08 oz_I have to do it again, when there is more time
16:10 oz_sobersabre: IPMI is normally used with a special service network
16:15 sobersabreyep, I have it on blade center, but the workstations... it's not so practical to have 2 cables.
16:16 sobersabreand the workstations are partially contributed sh1te.
16:16 sobersabreoutdated, and not highend.
16:19 allee_sobersabre: AFAIR there a IPMI daemon for linux.  Of course you can do anything with the daemon before the Workstations are running ;)
16:20 allee_s/can/can not/
16:23 sobersabreallee_: you mean the daemon runs on the same cpu with the main machine, so I could add them to misc. management tools.. nice.
16:24 sobersabrehow does the wake on lan work ?
16:34 Mrfaihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_on_lan
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18:28 sobersabrebyebye
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18:42 stockholmMT: i think you need to restructure your controlflow
18:42 MThmm, why?
18:43 stockholmright now you pile all lvm and all raid and all partition commonads on top of each other
18:43 stockholmbut you sould really pile not by lvm, raid and partioins
18:44 MTwhat do you suggest instead?
18:44 stockholmbut first after remove (and within remove after lvm, raid, and partitions)
18:44 stockholmand then after create (and within create after partitions, raid and lvm)
18:44 stockholmreally bad net here
18:45 MTin fact, when I did that part of the code I was pretty concerned about the flow and not really happy with the way I did it
18:45 MTbut I was then running out of time, so I kept it the way it was and now is
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18:45 MTyou're definitely right that  is not really cool
18:46 MTin fact you can't do a RAID over LVM with the current code
18:46 stockholmyeah
18:46 stockholmand lvm deletion and creation fails in certain cases
18:46 stockholmbecause you first remove the partitions and THEN the lvm
18:47 stockholminstead of the other way around
18:47 MThmm, yes, right
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18:47 MTdo you have any time to fix this?
18:47 stockholmmy suggestion would be to break all those big funktions down into many smaller ones.
18:47 MTI won't find the time before the dev weekend
18:47 MToh, that would be pretty cool
18:48 stockholmMT: i am unsure i want to overthrow your code
18:48 stockholmthis would be a major thing to do
18:48 MToh, feel free to do anything to it
18:48 stockholmso far i have done small fixes
18:48 MTI'm well aware that it's far from optimal
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18:49 stockholmMT: i will see what i can do
18:49 stockholmbut i  dont promise anything :-)
18:49 MTIf you happen to throw away everything that's ok - as long as we end up with a better code
18:49 MTno need for promises, do whatever you can
18:50 stockholmwe can use all the code, just the flow needs to be redirected...
18:50 stockholmyes
18:50 MTand what you can't do (or even those things you plan to do and probably will finish): please document it on the wiki page
18:51 stockholmi wanted to write a lengthly mail about the status
18:51 MTso we keep a TODO list and whoever has time may then feel free to hack on it following the TODO list
18:51 stockholmright
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18:52 MTwell, if you prefer mail that's fine as well, but the wiki page is probably easier to update in a shared manner
18:52 stockholmright
18:52 stockholmbut wiki requires network
18:52 stockholmand networks sucks dead goats here
18:52 MT:-)
18:53 MTwell, that's just the situation for the next few days
18:53 stockholmright
18:53 MTin fact, I won't have too much network access until tuesday anyway
18:53 MTas I'm travelling as well
18:53 stockholmi wanted to have a working fai setup after extremadura
18:53 stockholmand instead i got tricked into development
18:53 sephihihih :)
18:54 stockholmlol
18:54 MTbut community is prefers your hacking anyway :-)
18:55 stockholmright
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19:09 stockholmMT: why dont we use this? http://search.cpan.org/~ckerner/Linux-LVM-0.13/LVM.pm
19:11 MThmm, probably because I didn't know about it :-)
19:13 MTstockholm, I gotta leave now
19:13 stockholmit is not packaged yet
19:13 MTfeel free to change anything ...
19:13 stockholmi just try to rope the perl group into packaging it
19:14 MTok, that's the best way to do it
19:14 MTotherwise just add it to the SVN ...
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