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11:50 \shsoviel zum thema combots
11:51 h01gerheh
11:51 \shMrfai, lies heise golem und mein blog...dann weisst warum ich nicht auf der froscon reden konnte ,)
11:51 h01gerblog-url?
11:52 \shwww.sourcecode.de
11:52 h01gerdanke
11:53 h01ger"Für alle die keine Suchmaschine haben:" ist ne schoene Formulierung, muß ich mir merken :) (gerade woanders geelsen, aber passt hier auch)
11:53 h01gerauch ne schoene URL :)
12:03 Mrfai\sh: hab ich schon mitbekommen.
12:04 \shh01ger, und schon richtig alt....
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14:56 Mrfaisiretart, allee kommt ihr zum FAI Entwicklerworkshop?
14:56 siretartMrfai: tu ich mich echt schwer das dienstlich zu begruenden :(
15:00 h01gersiretart, nutzt ihr fai?
15:00 h01gerdann sollte das doch easy sein..
15:02 siretarth01ger: naja, wir nutzen das fuer unsere studentenarbeitsplaetze
15:02 siretartund systemadministration ist nicht meine hauptaufgabe, sondern laeuft hier eher 'nebenher'
15:02 siretartich hab schon UDS-Boston genehmigt bekommen, da will ich noch ne FAI-BoF halten
15:03 h01gerah. wasn deine hauptaufgabe?
15:03 siretarthttp://www4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~tartler/
15:03 siretartforschung im bereich systemsicherheit
15:03 siretartspeziell, cryptofilesysteme
15:04 h01gerhmja. (hypsch, aber wirklich nich so ganz einfach die begruendung dann :)
15:05 siretart:)
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15:09 Mrfaisiretart: da es aber am Wochenende stattfindet, kannst du es auch in deiner Freizeit machen. Wir muessen dir dann nur die Fahrt bezahlen.
15:10 siretartachso, ich dachter der sei unter der woche
15:10 Mrfaine freitag spaet nachmittag bis Sonntag.
15:12 siretartoh. das ist genau das wochenende nach boston
15:12 siretartpuh...
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16:04 Mrfaisiretart: sollte jetzt nicht das meeting auf #ubuntu-meeting sein? auf welchem SErver?
16:05 Mrfaisorrt, war utc, also in 2 stunden
16:06 h01ger /whois siretart sagt mir, dass das auf oftc ist..
16:06 h01geraeh, freenode
16:07 alleeMrfai: Ich weiss noch nicht ob ich komme.  Meine Familie sieht mich nur am Wochende.   So fuer mich ist Fr-So problematisch.  Es wuerde mich reizen, aber bis jetzt konnte ich mein Gewissen nicht ueberzeugen :(
16:09 siretarterr, genau. ist auf freenode
16:09 Mrfaiok, kann ich gut verstehen. Vielleicht bist du ja in der Zeit auch mal online dabei.
16:09 siretartbin noch an der uni, muss noch heimfahren :)
16:09 Mrfaiich muss auch noich heimfahren
16:11 h01gerhome is where my laptop is :)
16:17 alleelol
Action: torkel realises that he has forgotten most of german language he learnt ~20 years ago
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16:43 torkelsiretart: will there be any meeting tonight? Or is it cancelled?
16:53 alleetorkel: yes in ~ 1 hour  #ubuntu-meeting on freenode
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17:28 siretarttorkel: right, I'm here now :)
17:33 alleesiretart: if live-initramfs recent enough in gutsy?   make-fai-chboot complain: Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)
17:33 alleehttp://paste.debian.net/38002
17:33 siretart>> rmadison -u ubuntu live-initramfs
17:33 siretartlive-initramfs |  1.102.1-1 | gutsy/universe | source, all
17:34 siretartlive-initramfs |  1.102.1-1 |       testing | source, all
17:34 siretartlive-initramfs |  1.104.1-1 |      unstable | source, all
17:34 siretarthmm.. daniel is making new releases fairly quickly :/
17:35 siretartallee: your paste doesn't really indicate a problem in live-initramfs. that package is only used in the booted nfsroot. you are in nfsroot creation time
17:35 alleesiretart: 1.102 you what you used in backports but as the log shows make-fai-nfsroot in not happy at all on gutsy
17:38 siretartI have to admit that I didn't test that in gutsy yet
17:40 alleesiretart: np.  I'll do.  I've never used live chroot, so currently I a bit lost what's normal output and what's a real error
17:40 alleenevertheless openpty error does not look like a waring ;)
17:45 Mrfaiseems that /dev/pts is not mounted inside the fai nfsroot.
17:46 Mrfaibut I'm not sure if this is done normally with Debian
17:52 allee-v tells me that error is generated in postinst scripts when the additional pkgs are added to nfsroot.
17:52 Mrfaisieht so aus als ob nur /proc in die nfsroot waehrend make-fai-nfsroot gemountet wird
17:52 Mrfai/srv/fai/nfsroot/...dev/pts ist nur ein normales directory
17:53 siretarthm. also ich hab in den ubuntu-fai in /usr/sbin/fai nen check eingebaut, der schaut ob proc da ist und mounted das ggf
17:53 siretartkann also gut sein dass noch mehr 'pseudo filesysteme' wie /srv/ /dev/pts, etc fehlen
17:53 alleeokay ich such mal und baus ein
17:53 siretartallee: schau doch mal am anfang von /usr/sbin/fai nach dem proc check, und erweitere das mal um pts
17:54 Mrfai#144296 in ltsp (Ubuntu)
17:55 siretarthttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/144296
17:55 siretart?
Action: Mrfai geht mal kurz mampfen
17:55 Mrfaisiretart: yep
17:56 siretartMrfai: guten hunger!
17:56 lazyb0yhm, wo isn' das ubuntu meeting?
17:57 siretartlazyb0y: fuer #ubuntu-meeting/freenode wars angekuendigt
17:57 siretartmeinetwegen koennen wir auch hier machen, wenns lieber ist
17:57 lazyb0ysiretart: nene, bin nur grad hektisch an den rechner gehuepft und war zu faul zum nachlesen :)
17:58 siretart:)
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18:38 siretartglance: around?
19:03 siretarthow do you feel about the meeting?
19:04 torkelzqad: are you intrested in the Ubuntu FAI team too?
19:04 alleewas fine!
Action: lazyb0y has to go to dinner - people are waiting...
19:04 siretartlazyb0y: have a great meal!
19:04 alleelet's have a break for 30 min and then finish  'house keeping' topic?
19:05 siretartok, I'll try to be here
19:05 siretartif not, I see that I make meeting minutes from the log, and post them to linux-fai-devel
19:05 Mrfaigood meeting. Let's hope that all our plans will be really done.
19:06 Mrfaiyep, good idea to poste the minues to linux-fai-devel
19:06 siretartMrfai: just curious, do you have activated your launchpad account?
19:06 siretartgnarf, I could have checked myself
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19:07 Mrfaisiretart: no.
19:07 siretartok, we'll triage and forward ubuntu bugs to debian anyways
19:07 MrfaiI think I do not need this account.
19:08 siretartyou would need it for publishing bzr branches, managing fai bugs in launchpad, creating bts links, creating specifications, etc.
19:08 siretartbut I agree that you might not be interested in that at all
19:08 MrfaiI can help the ubuntu FAI team without using launchpad. It's too much for me if I also need to work with launchpad.
19:09 siretartMrfai: okay, no problem
19:09 siretartjust for the case that for some reason we currently don't think of you reconsider this, have a look at: https://launchpad.net/~lange
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19:15 MrfaiHi i-R2D2, do you have a real name?
19:17 alleeOT:  lange?  heck, noooooo.  Create mrfai and mark lange as duplicate of mrfai! :)
19:23 siretarthehe
19:23 siretartsorry, need to leave now as well, cu later!
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20:08 alleewhat the h***.  Problem was: stuck at 'boot:'  no way to type, but alt-ctrl-del worked.  Workaround: Not to use the KVM switch and but connect keyboard directly and kernel booted without prompting ' boot:'  ?
20:16 torkelallee: are you using lilo?
20:21 alleetorkel: heh, no.  This was when I try to pxe boot.  And removing usb cable of KVM switch made 'boot:' disappear
20:22 alleeright now I 'fight' with start-stop-daemon being dummy in nfs root so sshd daemon is not startet
20:23 torkelallee: ah, you you only got that far...
20:24 MrfaiIIRC sshd is started directly by the fai script, not via start-stop daemon
20:24 Mrfaiyep: [ "$flag_sshd" -a -x /usr/sbin/sshd ] && /usr/sbin/sshd
20:25 torkelallee: hm, you could try with another version of syslinux. Every version of it usually has different issues :-)
20:25 alleeokay, so maybe bug is somewhere else
20:26 alleeright now it fails so mount /srv/fai/config.   Let's look at the logs ...
20:48 zqadtorkel: well, i'll probably work towards aix now..but i sure am interested in general. whether or not i will work with fai on ubuntu is up to hpc2n :) glance is the faimaster at acc, so..
20:55 alleeMrfai: nfs-client is not in NFSROOT.  Do mounting config space fails.  bug? or is default now one of git, svn ....?
21:03 Mrfaithere's not nfs-client package in debian
21:03 MrfaiNFS is still default
21:03 torkelzqad: oki. I thought you were involved in FAI at ACC too
21:04 zqadtorkel: only for the aix-part, probably
21:04 Mrfaiallee: show me your logs at paste.debian.net
21:06 torkelnor in gutsy. It is replaced with nfs-common.
21:06 torkelzqad: using FAI to install AIX sounds fun :-)
21:06 zqadtorkel: .. please shoot me :P
21:06 zqadtorkel: it's mostly merging znikkes changes
21:07 Mrfaieven nfs-common is not installed in the nfsroot.
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21:09 alleeah, show me the logs reminds me: why isn't the ssh/cfengine key. saved by make-fai-nfsroot and restored on rebuild by default.  All the man in the middle warning are !$#!$:)
21:10 Mrfaiallee: the ssh keys can be saved using make-fai-nfsroot -p
21:10 alleeoh, *blush*.  Nevertheless it should be the default IMHO
21:11 Mrfaiallee: good idea, please file a wishlist bugreport for that
21:13 alleeMrfai: fai.log: http://paste.debian.net/38023
21:13 allee^^ with nfs-common added to NFSROOT and nfsroot rebuild
21:14 Mrfaimount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking.
21:14 Mrfaithis seems to be the problem
21:14 Mrfaicheck this on your install server:
21:14 Mrfairpcinfo -p localhost
21:15 Mrfaiyou should see nfs and nlockmgr. But I'm sure fai mount using nolock
21:16 alleeMrfai: all there: http://paste.debian.net/38024
21:17 Mrfaiallee: looks good.
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21:17 Mrfaitry to mount manually with -o nolock
21:18 MrfaiI wondering about this message: Either use '-o nolocks'
21:18 MrfaiIMO it's nolock, not nolocks
21:19 alleeMrfai: can't set permision on /etc/mtab.  it's a link to /proc/mounts with  mode 111
21:19 Mrfaimount -n does not write /etc/mtab
21:20 alleethx. now it's mounted
Action: allee search for the mount command to add an echo ...
21:21 Mrfailib/get-config-dir-nfs
21:21 Mrfaithere, it's mounted without using -n
21:22 Mrfairomountopt="-o async,noatime,nolock,ro,actimeo=1800"
21:26 alleeMrfai: strange. echo shows nothing at all for romountopt.
21:27 Mrfaiadd set -x in lib/get-config-dir-nfs, this will show you each line when executed
21:27 Mrfairomountopt may be not exported to all shells
21:28 alleeMrfai: I c&p the mount $romout ... and added an echo infront of it.
21:28 alleeMrfai: so really looks like a export problem
21:29 Mrfaibut why does it work when typed manally?
21:34 alleeMrfai: I mean $romountopt is empty (with set -x too)
21:34 alleeI've added export romountopt= to /usr/sbin/fai  let's see ..
21:35 alleeMrfai: ta ta.  my data are gone.  sfdisk at work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:35 alleedata on test client I mean :)
21:35 alleeMrfai: thx a thousand times!
21:36 Mrfaiok I will check why I had no problems with debian
Action: allee wonders if /bin/sh -> /bin/bash would work without export ...
21:42 alleeNo, fails with sh = bash too.  so no autoexport bash magic
21:51 Mrfaiallee: romountopt is also empty in Debian orgirignal FAI 3.2.1. OK this is a bug.
21:52 MrfaiFix: just define romountopt in get-config-dir-nfs. It's only used there
21:54 Mrfaiwrong. It's also used in subroutines-linux.
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22:06 Mrfaijust adding export in front of romountopt=.... is sufficient.
22:08 Mrfaibug solved. suspend to sleep ;-)
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