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| 10:46 robin | http://www.jmboard.com/gw/2007/04/25/homer-simson-nackt-in-google-earth/ google earth in live! :-) |
| 10:53 siretart | Mrfai: I'm currently thinking about writing a spec for fai in ubuntu for the Developer Summit next week. |
| 10:53 siretart | Mrfai: could you summarize your plans with fai the next 2-3 months? |
| 10:54 siretart | and most interestingly, what's left to do in order to drop fai-kernels? |
| 10:57 h01ger | switch to initramfs-tools |
| 11:02 siretart | h01ger: that would be the most convinient. I know you intend to go this way for fai in debian as well, do you have a timeframe for that? |
| 11:04 h01ger | to file the request for removal at the end of the year is my personal goal |
| 11:04 h01ger | but i'm happy to do that earlier :) |
| 11:06 siretart | what's left to do? |
| 11:06 h01ger | get working code in svn |
| 11:06 siretart | hm. not a very helpful answer... |
| 11:06 h01ger | just a special branch, following trunk |
| 11:07 h01ger | siretart, what would be helpful? |
| 11:07 h01ger | siretart, what would be more helpful? |
| 11:07 siretart | h01ger: I need to know how much work is left to do, and decide if it doable in about 1-3 months. if it is, I can write a spec for gutsy to be discussed next week. if it isn't I can spare my time |
| 11:08 siretart | I promised to prepare a fai-kernels package for feisty, but I failed. I didn't find the time to get a working fai-kernels package on amd64 and i386 |
| 11:08 h01ger | so you want me to write the spec? ;) |
| 11:09 siretart | for gutsy I'd rather switch to initramfs-tools completely, but I have no idea how much work that actually is |
| 11:09 siretart | if you need a testbed for your initramfs branch, I can offer you ubuntu |
| 11:10 h01ger | no thanks. ubuntu differs to much from debian to be able to work on it |
| 11:11 h01ger | its better to develop that on etch, which is a stable base, so i only have to deal with my changes for that feature |
| 11:12 h01ger | it only needs changes to fai, the rest is there (in etch) - no need to deal with lots of other changes |
| 11:12 siretart | hm. I get the impression that it isn't worth to work on fixing fai for 7.10 |
| 11:16 h01ger | why? i got the impression you want me to work on ubuntu and i see no reason why i should. |
| 11:17 h01ger | and/or within ubuntus time constraints |
| 11:18 siretart | mom, phone |
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| 11:48 Mrfai | siretart: Currently I have to details plans for the next 2-3 month. First thing I will do, is make such a plan. |
| 11:49 Mrfai | I think a review of faiwiki and the BTS is needed. |
| 11:49 Mrfai | Then, makeing fai-cd work again. This includes dropping fai-kernels. |
| 11:51 Mrfai | First fai-chboot needs an additional option tp specify the initrd. The guy's from Limux in munich have code for that, but the diffs of their fai-chbbot version to mine was larger than the script itself. |
| 11:51 siretart | h01ger: no, I don't want you to work on ubuntu. I wanted to know how much time I need to calculate to implement this for ubuntu. On that basis, I could decide if it make sense to discuss proper integration of fai in ubuntu with interested ppl. |
| 11:51 Mrfai | It will take some time to extract the code for this feature, or I will rewrite it |
| 11:52 Mrfai | if fai-chboot supports initrd , then make-fai-nfsroot must be enhanced. After that, fai-cd can be fixed. |
| 11:52 Mrfai | I think I will start working on it during debconf. |
| 11:52 siretart | okay, then my impression was right, and both fai-chboot and make-fai-nfsroot need to be tweaked for that |
| 11:53 Mrfai | yep. |
| 11:54 Mrfai | But it's not complicated. Currently I use the stock Debian kernel with an initrd (built by mkinitramfs) to boot and install by thinkpad T60. |
| 11:54 Mrfai | But testing all the new stuff will take some time |
| 11:54 siretart | I have a (small) pool of computers with a dapper server, where I could help you with testing this |
| 11:54 siretart | at work (university), that is |
| 11:56 Mrfai | siretart: I'm wondering if ubuntu will look at FAI because they told that for the next release they want some automatic deploment system. I fear they will use python for this and maybe extend their graphical installer. Maybe you can suggest them FAI for mass deployment. |
| Action: h01ger grins at Mrfai not using fai-kernels to install his own computer :) |
| 11:58 Mrfai | the hardware sucks. The e1000 in the thinkpad d5Coes not work with fai-kernels. |
| 12:00 oz | Mrfai: would be a neat thing... |
| 12:00 Mrfai | oz: what? |
| 12:02 siretart | Mrfai: who is 'they'? |
| 12:03 siretart | Mrfai: I haven't heared of plans for mass deployment systems, but for exactly that reason I was considering submitting a FaiSpec for next week |
| 12:03 Mrfai | they = the ubuntu guy's |
| 12:03 siretart | do you have a name who told you that? |
| 12:04 Mrfai | Mark itself. a quote from heise: So steht eine komplette Infrastruktur inklusive grafischem Installer für automatisierte, unbeaufsichtigte Installationen auf dem Programm kein Admin will 500 identische Arbeitsplatzrechner von Hand aufsetzen. |
| 12:04 oz | Mrfai: if ubuntu would use FAI |
| 12:05 oz | that'd be neat |
| 12:05 Mrfai | oz: ok |
| 12:05 oz | but I suspect they build some other sick install tool |
| 12:06 siretart | this is to be decided next week, I can tell you first hand knowledge next week |
| 12:06 siretart | Mrfai: currently, I know only about this kickstart config tool |
| 12:07 siretart | Mrfai: which is essentially the kickstart tool from redhat. the kickseed package converts a kickstart configuration to a d-i preseed file |
| 12:07 oz | siretart: do your very best... |
| 12:08 siretart | oz: currently, FAI is horribly broken in ubuntu due to the lack of 'fai-kernels'. the plan is to drop them, so it doesn't seem to make sense to me to work on fai-kernels for gutsy |
| 12:08 Mrfai | siretart: have a look at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html |
| 12:08 Mrfai | search for unattended |
| 12:08 siretart | ok |
| 12:08 siretart | brb |
| 12:08 oz | siretart: I know, I use ubuntu on my desktop ;) |
| 12:08 oz | but honestly I see little sense in the ubuntu-server |
| 12:09 h01ger | siretart, whats so difficult in providing fai-kernels for ubuntu? |
| 12:10 Mrfai | IMO it's ok to drop fai-kernels for ubuntu, because I hope we manage to fix fai before ubuntu 7.10. |
| 12:11 h01ger | cool |
| 12:13 Mrfai | "we manage" means I need some help ;-) |
| Action: h01ger nods |
| Action: h01ger needs help with install_packages ;) |
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| 14:50 siretart | h01ger: because I don't really have enough time to 'port' the kernel config from debian 2.6.20 and ubuntu 2.6.20. there seem to be worlds between the 2 kernel builds |
| 14:51 h01ger | just compile nfs(root) and the network modules into the kernel |
| 14:51 h01ger | base it on the ubuntu kernel configs |
| 14:51 h01ger | not on debian fai-kernels config |
| 14:53 siretart | hm. will try that. maybe it's indeed easier |
| 14:54 h01ger | .oO( fai-kernels will never die ) |
| 14:54 h01ger | i didnt say that! |
| 14:54 h01ger | :) |
| 14:54 oz | h01ger: hm. :-) |
| 14:55 h01ger | nothing lasts as long as a temporary solution :) |
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