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[10:46] http://www.jmboard.com/gw/2007/04/25/homer-simson-nackt-in-google-earth/ google earth in live! :-) [10:53] Mrfai: I'm currently thinking about writing a spec for fai in ubuntu for the Developer Summit next week. [10:53] Mrfai: could you summarize your plans with fai the next 2-3 months? [10:54] and most interestingly, what's left to do in order to drop fai-kernels? [10:57] switch to initramfs-tools [11:02] h01ger: that would be the most convinient. I know you intend to go this way for fai in debian as well, do you have a timeframe for that? [11:04] to file the request for removal at the end of the year is my personal goal [11:04] but i'm happy to do that earlier :) [11:06] what's left to do? [11:06] get working code in svn [11:06] hm. not a very helpful answer... [11:06] just a special branch, following trunk [11:07] siretart, what would be helpful? [11:07] siretart, what would be more helpful? [11:07] h01ger: I need to know how much work is left to do, and decide if it doable in about 1-3 months. if it is, I can write a spec for gutsy to be discussed next week. if it isn't I can spare my time [11:08] I promised to prepare a fai-kernels package for feisty, but I failed. I didn't find the time to get a working fai-kernels package on amd64 and i386 [11:08] so you want me to write the spec? ;) [11:09] for gutsy I'd rather switch to initramfs-tools completely, but I have no idea how much work that actually is [11:09] if you need a testbed for your initramfs branch, I can offer you ubuntu [11:10] no thanks. ubuntu differs to much from debian to be able to work on it [11:11] its better to develop that on etch, which is a stable base, so i only have to deal with my changes for that feature [11:12] it only needs changes to fai, the rest is there (in etch) - no need to deal with lots of other changes [11:12] hm. I get the impression that it isn't worth to work on fixing fai for 7.10 [11:16] why? i got the impression you want me to work on ubuntu and i see no reason why i should. [11:17] and/or within ubuntus time constraints [11:18] mom, phone [11:19] kriebly (~moho@wisdom.Stanford.EDU) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [11:48] siretart: Currently I have to details plans for the next 2-3 month. First thing I will do, is make such a plan. [11:49] I think a review of faiwiki and the BTS is needed. [11:49] Then, makeing fai-cd work again. This includes dropping fai-kernels. [11:51] First fai-chboot needs an additional option tp specify the initrd. The guy's from Limux in munich have code for that, but the diffs of their fai-chbbot version to mine was larger than the script itself. [11:51] h01ger: no, I don't want you to work on ubuntu. I wanted to know how much time I need to calculate to implement this for ubuntu. On that basis, I could decide if it make sense to discuss proper integration of fai in ubuntu with interested ppl. [11:51] It will take some time to extract the code for this feature, or I will rewrite it [11:52] if fai-chboot supports initrd , then make-fai-nfsroot must be enhanced. After that, fai-cd can be fixed. [11:52] I think I will start working on it during debconf. [11:52] okay, then my impression was right, and both fai-chboot and make-fai-nfsroot need to be tweaked for that [11:53] yep. [11:54] But it's not complicated. Currently I use the stock Debian kernel with an initrd (built by mkinitramfs) to boot and install by thinkpad T60. [11:54] But testing all the new stuff will take some time [11:54] I have a (small) pool of computers with a dapper server, where I could help you with testing this [11:54] at work (university), that is [11:56] siretart: I'm wondering if ubuntu will look at FAI because they told that for the next release they want some automatic deploment system. I fear they will use python for this and maybe extend their graphical installer. Maybe you can suggest them FAI for mass deployment. [11:57] Action: h01ger grins at Mrfai not using fai-kernels to install his own computer :) [11:58] the hardware sucks. The e1000 in the thinkpad d5Coes not work with fai-kernels. [12:00] Mrfai: would be a neat thing... [12:00] oz: what? [12:02] Mrfai: who is 'they'? [12:03] Mrfai: I haven't heared of plans for mass deployment systems, but for exactly that reason I was considering submitting a FaiSpec for next week [12:03] they = the ubuntu guy's [12:03] do you have a name who told you that? [12:04] Mark itself. a quote from heise: So steht eine komplette Infrastruktur inklusive grafischem Installer für automatisierte, unbeaufsichtigte Installationen auf dem Programm kein Admin will 500 identische Arbeitsplatzrechner von Hand aufsetzen. [12:04] Mrfai: if ubuntu would use FAI [12:05] that'd be neat [12:05] oz: ok [12:05] but I suspect they build some other sick install tool [12:06] this is to be decided next week, I can tell you first hand knowledge next week [12:06] Mrfai: currently, I know only about this kickstart config tool [12:07] Mrfai: which is essentially the kickstart tool from redhat. the kickseed package converts a kickstart configuration to a d-i preseed file [12:07] siretart: do your very best... [12:08] oz: currently, FAI is horribly broken in ubuntu due to the lack of 'fai-kernels'. the plan is to drop them, so it doesn't seem to make sense to me to work on fai-kernels for gutsy [12:08] siretart: have a look at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html [12:08] search for unattended [12:08] ok [12:08] brb [12:08] siretart: I know, I use ubuntu on my desktop ;) [12:08] but honestly I see little sense in the ubuntu-server [12:09] siretart, whats so difficult in providing fai-kernels for ubuntu? [12:10] IMO it's ok to drop fai-kernels for ubuntu, because I hope we manage to fix fai before ubuntu 7.10. [12:11] cool [12:13] "we manage" means I need some help ;-) [12:15] Action: h01ger nods [12:15] Action: h01ger needs help with install_packages ;) [12:19] ErKa (~keryell@AMontsouris-151-1-84-194.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #fai. 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