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| 08:19 h01ger | stockholm, lists are linked in the wiki |
| Action: h01ger moins |
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| 08:33 meinerseins | hi folk |
| 08:33 h01ger | tach deinereiner |
| 08:36 meinerseins | moin holger |
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| 09:13 stockholm | h01ger: i read the archive and it is "dürftig" regarding fai |
| 09:14 h01ger | i know, agree & pity |
| 09:15 h01ger | rewriting setup_harddisc is long overdue. and in fact, a rewrite has been started and afaik at least (almost) finished. MT will know more |
| 09:34 stockholm | 11:06 -!- MT [~MT@ip-114.net-82-216-93.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] |
| 09:34 stockholm | (c: |
| 10:04 meinerseins | the prefered language in the faiwiki is english, it's true? |
| 10:21 h01ger | meinerseins, yes |
| 11:09 h01ger | oz, faicd boots again! and installs a working system! \o/ |
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| 15:18 oz | h01ger: neat! |
| 15:21 h01ger | yup |
| 15:22 h01ger | oz, now i need to investigate your changes at some time. but for this weekend i'm happy to have the cd at least working agian |
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| 16:07 lazyb0y | hiho! |
| 16:12 h01ger | hey lazyb0y! |
| 16:12 h01ger | back home? |
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| 16:17 lazyb0y | yep |
| 16:19 h01ger | and, like it? |
| 16:19 lazyb0y | but not yet recovered, and too much "construction sites" still open... |
| 16:19 h01ger | MT, stockholm is interested in the status of setup_harddisc2... |
| 16:19 lazyb0y | what? thailand, saarland, or new york? :) |
| 16:19 h01ger | you've been to NYC too? wow :) |
| 16:19 lazyb0y | I like them all!!! |
| 16:20 h01ger | i'm not surprised. traveling is usally good :) |
| 16:20 lazyb0y | 4 days xen summit - interesting, but way too short... |
| 16:20 h01ger | s/i'm not surprised./i can imagine/ |
| 16:20 h01ger | ah |
| 16:20 lazyb0y | not sure about that - it's also good to be at home more than 2 days in a row :) |
| 16:21 MT | ahh .... setup_harddisks_2 .... |
| 16:21 MT | not done, it might work |
| 16:21 lazyb0y | probably even without having to work, but that's begging for too much, I guess - still, I'll make it somehow... |
| 16:22 h01ger | MT, any docs/infos available on the web? |
| 16:22 MT | there's the wiki page |
| 16:22 MT | and the source |
| 16:22 h01ger | hmm. then stockholm must have overseen it :) |
| 16:22 MT | which is IMHO really well documented |
| 16:22 h01ger | i'm happy with setup_harddisc or partman |
| 16:22 MT | i.e. nearly as much doc as code |
| 16:22 h01ger | hehe :) |
| 16:23 lazyb0y | it's time for another fai workshop, probably - making a plan for things to do after the release, looking at the next release |
| 16:23 h01ger | good! |
| 16:23 MT | FAI WS would be really cool |
| 16:23 MT | meaning: it would force me to work on setup_hdd |
| 16:23 h01ger | plan?: switch to setup_harddisc_2 |
| 16:23 lazyb0y | apart from updating the docs, which I guess haven't been updated, or have they (didn't check what happended to the doc correction efforts, but didn't hear anything) |
| 16:23 h01ger | plan!: get rid of fai-kernels |
| 16:23 h01ger | plan!: yes, the docs..! |
| 16:24 h01ger | lazyb0y, not much |
| 16:24 lazyb0y | ok, then we don't need a workshop to plan, but to do! |
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| 16:28 h01ger | lazyb0y, totally |
| 16:29 lazyb0y | h01ger: I'm still not content with removing fai-kernels because I still could not get the same information through to the clients via dhcp when using an initrd for mounting the root versus the compiled-in nfsroot and ip_autoconfig functionality |
| 16:30 lazyb0y | I might have to try again, but the last time I did, I invested quite some hours and it just "didn't work" - too long ago for remembering, what exactly happened, I lacked the time to ask further questions... |
| 16:31 h01ger | so you "just" couldnt make it work? |
| 16:31 h01ger | or did it work less good in some cases? |
| 16:33 lazyb0y | it did never work fully, only partly. |
| 16:34 lazyb0y | really have to look again at details, but what I currently do with the fai-kernels is that I give ip configuration, the location of the install server, as well as the location of the nfsroot to the client via dhcp |
| 16:34 lazyb0y | some of these (don't know now which) get to server when using the initrd and a standard kernel but some don't |
| 16:35 lazyb0y | it could also be just a problem with "somehow broken" initrd scripts, don't know |
| 16:36 lazyb0y | Not sure if I am the only one whoi needs this, but i guess quite some people do this, as it was always in the dhcp config example that came with FAI |
| 16:49 lazyb0y | hmm, after looking in some old notes, it seems like I couldn't get the installserver and the nfsroot path from dhcp |
| 16:50 lazyb0y | seemed like having to do with this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=387808 |
| 16:50 lazyb0y | which seems maybe fixed since some days now... |
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| 17:21 stockholm | lazyb0y: hi |
| 17:22 stockholm | lazyb0y: can you tell me shortly why it is great to install xen instances with fai? |
| 17:22 stockholm | dang, mt is gone again! |
| 17:23 stockholm | h01ger: i read the wiki! |
| 17:23 stockholm | i did read the wiki, even |
| Action: stockholm does not recall that setup_harddisk2 should work |
| 17:24 stockholm | i thought i was still just in the planning/diskussion phase |
| Action: stockholm goes and looks again |
| 17:35 stockholm | http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php/Setup_harddisks_2 |
| 17:35 lazyb0y | stockholm: it has the same advatages as installing any real hardware with xen |
| 17:35 lazyb0y | or do you mean as opposed to using xen-tools, for example? |
| 17:36 stockholm | h01ger: here it says it is a proposal |
| 17:36 stockholm | lazyb0y: i would like to do testinstallations and run tests agains a system fequently |
| 17:37 stockholm | lazyb0y: how do the xen machines do pxe? |
| 17:37 lazyb0y | testinstallation of custom systems, I guess? |
| 17:37 stockholm | lazyb0y: or should i just bye you book? |
| 17:37 lazyb0y | stockholm: xen machines don#t do pxe |
| 17:38 stockholm | lazyb0y: testinstallations of a production cluster |
| 17:38 stockholm | lazyb0y: to test packages |
| 17:38 lazyb0y | oh, so many questions so fast and I am about to leave... |
| 17:38 stockholm | do system tests etc |
| 17:39 lazyb0y | so, you don't test standard debian d-i cd's or something, that's what I mean. |
| 17:39 stockholm | lazyb0y: yes |
| 17:39 lazyb0y | yeah, you want to use FAI because it gives you a defined installation against which you run your test |
| 17:39 stockholm | lazyb0y: i do fai installations of the sytems anyway |
| 17:39 stockholm | lazyb0y: exactly |
| 17:39 lazyb0y | for the test itself, I am considering to try crucible, the test framwework used for nfs_v4 for example |
| 17:40 stockholm | i see |
| 17:40 lazyb0y | that's not xen specific until now... |
| 17:40 stockholm | thanks for the tip. |
| 17:40 lazyb0y | as for pxe with xen: you don#t need it in paravirtual mode, because then the peramaters can be handed over in the xen domU config file |
| 17:41 lazyb0y | in hvm, sadly, until last time I treid, which is some months ago, pxe wasn't working, i had to use the fai boot cd iso (whoch is not the fai-cd!) |
| 17:41 lazyb0y | but then it works fine |
| 17:41 stockholm | hm |
| Action: stockholm would like to do without a cd. |
| 17:41 lazyb0y | so, gotta go - mail me for further things - I'll not have much time to read here |
| 17:41 stockholm | lazyb0y: thanks |
| 17:42 lazyb0y | check if pxe works now in hvm |
| 17:42 lazyb0y | do you need hvm anyway? |
| 17:42 stockholm | i dont know |
| 17:42 stockholm | i dont do xen yet |
| 17:42 lazyb0y | ah |
| 17:42 stockholm | lazyb0y: i could even call you, that might be faster |
| 17:42 lazyb0y | normaly, you need hvm mainly for running windows |
| 17:42 stockholm | and more convenient |
| 17:42 stockholm | i will test linux stuff |
| 17:44 lazyb0y | stockholm: you can do - I will tell you the next point in time when I can talk then - I'm busy over my head now but will try to find a slot for you :) |
| 17:45 lazyb0y | apart from all that, you are still very much welcome to buy the book - it will be there next week, AFAIK :) |
| 18:04 stockholm | ok! |
| 18:37 h01ger | stockholm, its a wiki! please fix it :) |
| 18:40 stockholm | h01ger: i cant fix what i dont know! :-) |
| 18:45 h01ger | <stockholm> h01ger: here it says it is a proposal - right, i thought that was wrong, but its right :) so nothing to fix ;) |
| 18:55 stockholm | h01ger: so i understood correctly that the stuff is not implemented yet? |
| 18:55 h01ger | yes. but the source is there and you can use it. |
| 18:55 stockholm | h01ger: i re-read MT and your exchange in scrollback two times and i am still confused. :-) |
| 18:55 h01ger | :) |
| 18:56 stockholm | h01ger: to me it looked like he started to write perl code and mostly pot (aka documentation) so far |
| 18:56 stockholm | and not the code that does stuff |
| 18:56 stockholm | if the code is what is in the wiki |
| 18:56 stockholm | or, where IS the code? |
| 18:56 stockholm | he sounded like it would not work yet in scrollback |
| 18:57 stockholm | ... i also contacted grin about his SW_RAID extension and i could "easily" rewrite that to do LVM without SW_RAID, i think |
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| 19:22 stockholm | MT: ah, hi! |
| 19:23 stockholm | MT: how far is your new hardisks partitioning tool? |
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