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09:30 baldy	hi all
09:32 baldy	any1 know whats happend.. after update from sarge to etch fai dont want to install debian :(
09:32 baldy	it will only boot somethink like a "rescue system"
09:33 baldy	but dont ask for a password
09:33 baldy	or wont install...
09:33 baldy	its realy strange
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10:14 dukez	hi all
10:14 dukez	i think i perhaps found a way to cross arch installs NFSROOT :) i am testing the finall solution
10:21 dukez	I works !!
10:22 dukez	Who wants to know how to cross build NFSROOT with make-fai-nfsroot with only 2 configuration assets ^^
10:23 h01ger	submit@bugs.debian.org :)
10:23 h01ger	severity: wishlist
10:23 h01ger	hi dukez :)
10:23 dukez	h01ger> HI
10:23 dukez	the APT_CONFIG env variable save me ^^
10:28 h01ger	dukez, please file a wishlist bug, where you document this. then we can pick it up and either include in the code or the documentation
10:28 h01ger	dukez, are you familar with the debian bts?
10:29 dukez	suyre
10:29 dukez	sure
10:30 h01ger	:)
10:54 sanso|work	dukez, could You explain the process?
10:54 dukez	i am making an HTML page of it
10:54 sanso|work	cool
10:54 dukez	i ll post the link in a few moment :)
10:54 sanso|work	faibot, list
10:55 sanso|work	can faibot remember factoids or urls?
11:13 juri__	faibot needs the ability to memorize phrases, and regurgitate them.
11:14 dukez	Pre alpha release :)
11:14 dukez	http://mrozieres.free.fr/mrozieres/fai.html
11:14 dukez	take a look and paste comment if you have any :)
11:14 dukez	i gonna go out for lunch
11:14 dukez	cya
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11:34 sanso|work	dukez, cool! thanks!
11:34 sanso|work	faibot, praise dukez
11:35 sanso|work	hmm..
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11:40 sanso|work	hmm... fai-kernels could just include the kernels for all architecture, wouldn't that be something?
11:45 h01ger	sanso|work, fai-kernels will be removed for lenny. we'll just use std-debian kernels
11:49 h01ger	baldy, sounds like that is the problem :) (re: mail)
11:49 h01ger	baldy, read NEWS.Debian.gz
11:49 h01ger	(in case you havent done so already :)
11:53 sanso|work	h01ger, cool.
12:11 oz	'removed for lenny'?
12:27 h01ger	we'll just use std-debian kernels
12:27 h01ger	oz, hi. thats no news. it was planned for etch already..
12:29 oz	cool, even if not really news :)
13:03 baldy	h01ger: i dont understand the problem
13:03 baldy	it seems that no one knows the problem
13:14 dukez	balday? which one ?
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13:15 dukez	someone read my FAI "contrib" for multi arch ?
13:27 baldy	dukez: after updateing the debian
13:27 baldy	nothinks works
13:28 baldy	i am here since two days to try to fix it
13:28 baldy	it wont work
13:28 dukez	updating ?
13:28 dukez	with fai ?
13:28 dukez	nothing works : what do you mean ?
13:29 baldy	mom
13:29 baldy	lets speak a bit later
13:29 dukez	^^
13:29 baldy	telephone atm
14:09 baldy	okey.... dukez .. time know?
14:09 baldy	noe
14:09 baldy	now
14:09 baldy	even
14:09 baldy	lol
14:10 baldy	its to hot here ;)
14:10 dukez	Take an ice cream
14:12 dukez	Can someone read & test the procedure in http://mrozieres.free.fr/mrozieres/fai.html please ?
14:55 Lin	hi dukez
14:55 dukez	hi Lin
14:55 Lin	I will rebuild my nfsroot
14:56 dukez	k
14:56 Lin	Did you receive any messages related to portmap in startup of fai installation?
14:56 dukez	Let me have a test i ll test u in a minute
14:57 dukez	At the moment i haven't
14:57 dukez	I was having such a message when my NFSROOT was broken
14:58 dukez	you should rebuild it and check everything is ok in my opinion,
14:58 dukez	Perhaps can you simply save your current one and rebuild one more nfsroot for test
15:00 Lin	rebuilding
15:00 dukez	ok
15:00 Lin	I know that you use debian
15:01 Lin	but there is any problem with ubuntu fai instalations?
15:01 Lin	should not.
15:01 dukez	i don't know
15:01 dukez	just look at ubuntuu BTS
15:06 Lin	ok. I will
15:13 dukez	who is working on patching fai-cd for Etch ?
15:13 dukez	need any help ?
15:13 nyal	dukez, i have done information to MrFai
15:13 nyal	to do a fai-cd
15:14 nyal	with bootcd it's very easy
15:14 nyal	and i use it in prod
15:14 dukez	nyal> bootcd + bootcd-initramfs  for sure
15:14 dukez	nyal> nyal, you use it with fai nfsroot and fai-mirror ?
15:14 nyal	yes
15:14 Lin	http://rafb.net/p/hCtUfJ61.html (make-nfs output)
15:14 nyal	i have done male-fai-master
15:14 dukez	nyal> can you send me your script ?
15:14 nyal	make-fai-master
15:14 nyal	no problem
15:15 dukez	make-fai-master ?
15:15 Lin	fai-nfsroot module-init-tools dhcp3-client ssh rdate lshw hwinfo portmap bootpc rsync lftp rsh-client less dump reiserfsprogs usbutils psmisc pciutils hdparm smartmontools parted mdadm lvm2 dnsutils ntpdate dosfstools cvs jove xfsprogs xfsdump sysutils dialog discover mdetect libnet-perl console-tools console-common expect iproute udev subversion sysvinit upstart- grub lilo read-edid
15:15 Lin	E: Broken packages
15:16 dukez	you have conflicting packge no ?
15:16 dukez	try apt-get install the list
15:16 dukez	and see what is conflicting
15:16 Lin	finishing a apt-get update
15:16 Lin	;-)
15:16 nyal	http://rafb.net/p/3JJLzJ20.html
15:16 nyal	it's make-fai-master
15:16 nyal	the last line of the script
15:16 nyal	i use a VERSION file in config
15:17 dukez	nyal> it is working with Etch ( kernel 2.6 and udev ) ?
15:17 dukez	it seems
15:18 nyal	yes
15:18 nyal	work weel
15:19 nyal	well
15:19 nyal	i use it in production
15:19 nyal	now: http://rafb.net/p/JEc4Kn16.html
15:19 dukez	nyal> is it cross architecture capacble ^^
15:19 nyal	my bootcdwrite.conf
15:19 nyal	i use bootcd for amd64
15:19 nyal	etch amd64
15:20 dukez	nyal> do you know if any arch flag exists with bootcd ?
15:20 nyal	my bootcdwrite.conf doesn't use discover
15:20 dukez	nyal> i manage both i386 and amd64 nfsroot and mirror on my installserver
15:20 nyal	i have written my kernel module in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
15:20 dukez	nyal> and i need to make both i386 and amd64 image
15:20 nyal	i think it's ok
15:21 nyal	you have to use another bootcdwrite.conf
15:21 dukez	yes
15:21 dukez	for directories
15:21 dukez	i see it
15:21 dukez	i think it can work
15:21 nyal	yes i think too
15:21 Lin	dukez: I think that there is a conflict beetween upstart and init
15:21 Lin	sysvinit
15:21 dukez	Lin> so you cannot install both on NFSROOT
15:22 Lin	how can I setup WHAT will be installed on nfsroot?
15:22 dukez	Lin> choose one, and make the package list work with pat-get install
15:22 nyal	i have to go
15:22 dukez	! /etc/fai/make-fai-nfsroot=>NFSROOT=XXXXX old fai
15:22 dukez	bye nyal
15:22 dukez	tx for the script sharing
15:22 nyal	no problem :)
15:22 dukez	Lin or /etc/fai/NFSROOT file
15:23 nyal	if it can help
15:23 Lin	it ask for removal of upstart
15:23 dukez	nyal> you helped my, i 've finished sarge to etch fai migration
15:23 Lin	no probvlem.
15:23 dukez	Lin> so remove upstart from the list !
15:23 Lin	sysvinit upstart-
15:23 Lin	it's already
15:24 dukez	no
15:24 dukez	ok
15:24 dukez	try one time with sysvinit
15:24 dukez	the other time with upstart
15:24 dukez	but if upstart is part of the Ubuntuu bootstrap install, jsute remove sysvinit
15:24 dukez	just*
15:26 Lin	I really dunno.
15:26 Lin	ubuntu is so weird 2 me
15:26 Lin	its a good desktop
15:26 Lin	but it has some  weird configurations
15:27 Lin	it has no keymap do be loaded but how can it change the keymap? loadkeys simply doesn't work.  There is some setupcon without any man page...
15:27 Lin	damn weird
15:27 dukez	Lin> try to remove sysvinit, rerun make-fai-nfsroot but with "make-fai-nfsroot -v > /tmp/log.txt 2>&1"
15:27 Lin	ok
15:28 Lin	dukez: http://arda.ibeu.org.br/log.txt
15:29 Lin	if you want to see interactively ;-)
15:29 dukez	^^
15:29 dukez	ok
15:29 dukez	Just look
15:29 dukez	upstart is part of debootstrap
15:29 Lin	im looking already..
15:29 dukez	So upstart is needed in the base system
15:29 Lin	yes it is
15:29 dukez	so revert the change
15:30 dukez	just remove the package conflicting with upstart from the NFSROOT list
15:30 Lin	should I keep upstart.. and remove sysvinit
15:30 dukez	yes
15:30 Lin	ok
15:30 dukez	i think
15:30 Lin	done already
15:30 dukez	but i ma not sure
15:30 Lin	trying.. ;-)
15:30 Lin	in 15 minutes we will know ;-)
15:30 dukez	k
15:30 dukez	i going out for a cigaret
15:31 Lin	and me 4 a coffe
15:31 Lin	;-)
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15:48 dukez	Lin> thins seems better
15:49 dukez	Lin> You just have a problem with perl packages :(
15:49 Lin	exactly
15:49 dukez	look for perl-modules and libnet-perl conflict
15:49 dukez	Lin> but i think your NFSROOT is now workable
15:49 Lin	i looking EXACTLY this right now
15:49 Lin	I wil lremove libnet as prereq.. what uses libnet?
15:49 Lin	perl-modules should fullfill this
15:50 dukez	Lin> libnet-perl provides modules like Net::SMTP
15:50 Lin	i know
15:50 dukez	Lin> I think.... i don't know perl-modules packages :)
15:50 Lin	perl-modules should be a ubuntu-thing to put everything in the same bag
15:51 Lin	yes it is
15:51 Lin	it conflits with A LOT of perl modules
15:51 dukez	Lin> remove perl-modules
15:51 dukez	Lin> i never seen it :)
15:51 Lin	I cannot
15:51 Lin	perl need perl-modules
15:51 Lin	on debian
15:52 Lin	on ubuntu
15:52 dukez	Lin> ok
15:52 dukez	Lin> don't u mix repository ?
15:52 dukez	Lin> remove libnet-perl so ..
15:52 Lin	I will do
15:52 dukez	but before, give a try to your new NFSROOT
15:52 dukez	:)
15:52 Lin	;-)
15:53 Lin	ok
15:54 Lin	I think that its a problem in module dependencies.. perl should not depend of perl-modules. makes no sense
15:55 Lin	libnet-perl depends perl depends perl-modules conflics libnet-perl
15:55 Lin	makes no sense
15:59 dukez	^^
16:00 dukez	Sry for the troll but i hate Ubuntuu, because in my opinion, it hurt the debian project
16:00 dukez	So ....
16:00 Lin	dukez: i dont like it SO.
16:00 Lin	yes it hurts the debian project
16:00 Lin	but it aims 4 something that there isn't on debian, a good desktop
16:01 Lin	no matter how you try.. debian is focused on administrations and servers
16:01 dukez	Lin> lets try not to troll this forum with this subjet Lin :)
16:01 Lin	is the better way to manage servers. has a damn good package. and unbeliveable tools (as fai)
16:02 Lin	but lacks something...
16:02 Lin	example..
16:02 Lin	did you saw the latest ubuntu (feisty)?
16:02 Lin	when you try to play a audio file with a non existent coded. It ask you for instalation. and installs it 4 u
16:02 dukez	Lin> no :(, i'll never install ubuntuu on my desktop, i use Debian SID :)
16:02 Lin	just works.
16:02 dukez	Lin> the NFSroot ?
16:02 Lin	this is a ubuntu effort.
16:03 Lin	isn't something BIG.
16:03 Lin	but users LOVE this.. try to ask a user to open synaptic (apt/aptitude/dselect) and install a codec.
16:03 Lin	add a repository o anything else.
16:03 Lin	I know.. its easy.. but users don't think like that
16:04 Lin	NO CONFLICTS!!
16:04 dukez	Lin> the more you use GUI or automated things, the less u understand what your are doing
16:04 dukez	Lin> and if things go wrong you are dependend from the GUI or the automation
16:05 Lin	but ubuntu has the same flaws as fedora / mandriva.. it insert too much new things in every package. it create new bugs.
16:05 Lin	dukez: as a sysadmin for more than 10 years I cont change my CLI + Scritps + automation for anything.
16:05 Lin	but users are users.
16:05 Lin	but it uses debian packages.
16:05 dukez	Lin> yes, users are too much used to Windows ....
16:06 Lin	yes. then I see ubuntu with good eyes
16:06 Lin	I use ubuntu on my dektop.. but server in anything else.
16:06 Lin	but debian in ...
16:06 dukez	Lin> but ubuntuu release an ubuntuu server flavoured version
16:07 dukez	Lin> what a shame !
16:07 Lin	shame 4 use ubuntu desktop?
16:07 Lin	;-)
16:08 Lin	dukez: yeah.. I think that ubuntu server version should not exist
16:08 Lin	dukez: they should stay on desktop.
16:08 Lin	dukez: BUT, there is something that I missing on system side..
16:08 Lin	something as a new init. I know.. init is stable.. but 30 years :-)
16:08 dukez	Lin> in my opinion, besides making a whole new distrib, the "community" may have worked on a linked stable repository project
16:09 dukez	Lin> with End-users oriented software
16:09 Lin	dukez: I know.. but this effort never was created.
16:09 dukez	simply
16:09 Lin	but not end-users soft
16:09 Lin	not only.
16:09 Lin	new features focused on users as that explained above
16:09 dukez	k
16:10 dukez	Lin>  did you try your new nfsroto ?.
16:11 dukez	root *
16:11 Lin	right now.
16:11 Lin	;-)
16:11 dukez	k
16:11 Lin	fai already started
16:16 Lin	unpacking ;-)
16:16 Lin	dukez: are you french?
16:17 dukez	yes
16:17 Lin	I never been on france.. they say that french bread is amazing.. and I love bread ;-0
16:18 dukez	Not all french bread are good but for French, the bread is a french product
16:18 Lin	I live on Rio de Janeiro, Brazil... in last month 4 french was murdered here.. its a shame
16:18 dukez	In Rio ? whoa, city of crime, sex and drugs ^^
16:19 dukez	amazing
16:19 Lin	yeah.. crime everywhere. Sex for those who can pay and drugs to kill yourself.
16:19 Lin	im at copacabana beach right now ;-)
16:19 dukez	Is it as spoiled ( pollution ) as people says ?
16:19 Lin	no
16:19 Lin	not a lot pollution..
16:20 Lin	we have a good air.
16:20 Lin	IMHO!
16:20 Lin	;-)
16:20 dukez	Lin> you have the Wifi near the beach ?
16:20 Lin	but there is better one.. but rio is really beauty.. ;-)
16:20 Lin	yes
16:20 Lin	;-D
16:20 Lin	I will change my antenna
16:20 Lin	to a 15dbi
16:20 Lin	to reach beach
16:20 Lin	;-)
16:20 dukez	pffffff, don't you need a sysdamin teamate to work with you ? i speak spanish too :)
16:21 Lin	but we speak portuguese here ;-)
16:21 dukez	oh  :( i've forgotten, the only country of South america not to speack "spanish" but portuguese ^^
16:21 Lin	dukez: if you come to brazil someday be my guest..
16:21 dukez	sure
16:22 dukez	idem if you come to Paris
16:22 Lin	;-)
16:22 Lin	someday ;-0
16:22 dukez	there 's someone coming from Venezualla in my compani
16:22 dukez	a beautifful girl
16:23 dukez	She often talk me about south america
16:23 dukez	one day, when i have money i ll make a good trip there
16:26 Lin	a friend of fine visited paris in last year
16:26 Lin	it said that is a amazing city.
16:26 Lin	is it true that french hate ppl talking english with them?
16:26 Lin	in streets.. asking 4 information.. etc.
16:26 Lin	friday 13th ;-)
16:27 dukez	Lin> not french people
16:27 Lin	are you here?
16:27 dukez	Lin>^^
16:27 Lin	I had some net shortout here
16:27 dukez	Lin> People in Paris are selfish
16:27 Lin	ping dukez
16:27 Lin	!ping dukez
16:27 dukez	pong
16:28 Lin	hehe
16:28 dukez	ok
16:28 dukez	my boss close the company
16:28 dukez	cya
16:28 Lin	bye!
16:28 Lin	where you work?
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17:46 Lin	some one know which user is used to copy the install logs to the install server (i know that it tries to log in as user fai)
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18:32 Lin	I have to use the SAME distro as NFS root and install clients?
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