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[11:03] Nah - it's all been a little quiet around here [11:04] We're about to re-think our FAI servers here, and was wondering whether you guys had any thoughts: [11:05] Currently we have two FAI servers, one for 32-bit and one for 64-bit. Have any of you managed to create a FAI server on a 64-bit machine which can install both 32-bit and 64-bit machines? It seems to me it ought to be possible (just a separate NFS root for each arch) but I've never done it. Have any of you? [11:06] The other thought is have any of you done a feature comparison with m23? [11:23] ErKa (~keryell@m92.net85-168-209.noos.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [11:24] sugarmice, I have an amd64 fai server that does i386 and amd64 - works well [11:34] Cool - so how do you go about setting that up? Are there any gotchas I should be aware of? [12:08] sugarmice> [12:08] me [12:08] i ve done it [12:08] just create to different config space : /etc/fai-i386 and /etc/fai-amd64 [12:09] inside make-fai-nfsroot.conf, FAI_DEBOOTSTRAP, add --arch XXXXXXX [12:09] get fai-kernel for both amd64 and i386 [12:09] setup KERNELPACKAGE inside make-fai-nfsroot [12:10] call make-fai-nfsroot -C /etc/fai-i386 -k vmlinuz-install-i386 [12:10] call FAI_ETC_DIR=/etc/fai-i386 fai-mirror /srv/fai/mirror-i386 [12:10] etc .... [12:10] setup /etc/dhcp [12:14] nomeata (nobody@nomeata.de) left irc: Quit: Client exiting [12:22] Sounds relatively straightforward, thanks [12:57] sugarmice (~timc@chiark.greenend.org.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:57] sugarmice> the only complex things to do is to specify all the param for fai-chboot [12:59] fai-chboot -k "ip=dhcp FAI_ACTION=install nfsroot=/srv/fai/nfsroot-amd64,v3,tcp,rsize=32768,wsize=32768"-F vmlinuz-install-amd64 /dev/nfs coltrev02 [12:59] for me [12:59] quite complex but understandable [13:40] Nick change: \sh -> \sh_away [13:58] Nick change: \sh_away -> \sh [14:35] hi all [15:36] Action: h01ger wonders if the mailing list has a hickup. i sent a mail yesterday but havent got it back [15:37] hey h01ger [15:37] hi dukez [15:37] i got a strange error about portmap trying to contact localhost when booting with FAI 3.18 [15:37] this is not blocking [15:37] but do you know what FAI is trying to do ? [15:38] it is at start, before running the class scripts [15:38] Moreover, i got en error this killall in get-boot-info.... [15:38] I wonder if a package is not missing from my NFSROOT [15:38] Doesit sounds to u ? [15:38] nope [15:38] killall command not found at line XXX [15:39] sanso|work: yes. It is. I want a non interactive instalation. [15:48] or do you mean fai-cd? [15:48] I really dunno how fai-cd works. It can update packages from network? [15:51] not really, it use a mirror on the media [15:51] but u can apt-get update && apt-get upgrade in a script run by the installation processs [15:56] Lin> i mean, to make the fai-cd iso, you must provide to fai-cd a Debian fai-mirror. [15:57] Lin> The fai-cd iso will use this mirror during the install to access Debian packages. [15:57] dukez: I think that apt-get upgrade is too much interactive, and has problemas in upgrading version, exemple my cd is etch but the latest is etch+1 can happen some problem while installation (i cannot accept this, there is any way to avoid?). [15:58] Lin> In my opinion, use fai-cd like you would use Debian installs CD ( not netinstall ) [15:58] Lin> and then run a fai softupdate [15:58] dukez: I will be VERY far from clients [15:58] Lin> provided that during the fai-cd install you redifine during scripts execution the content of $target/etc/apt/sources.list [15:59] Lin> And ? [15:59] I dont want support users in reinstalations [15:59] Lin> fai-cd must be use for disaster recovery [15:59] Lin> one the server will be up, you simply have to take the hand on it trought ssh and run fai softupdate [15:59] dukez: right now I have to install 160 computers. [15:59] Lin> And so ? Clusters ? [15:59] do ssh to 160 computers is boring ;-) [15:59] no.. user desktop [16:00] Lin> ok, so make the fai-cd once a day the night [16:00] I will need 160 cds. [16:00] ;-) [16:00] Lin> no ! With One CD, you can install 160 différent computers [16:01] Will be a hell ;-) [16:01] Lin> I personnly use 1 CD to install 14 servers [16:01] how often you reinstall your servers? [16:01] Lin> in case of disaster recovery or to test the process [16:01] Lin> If you have to reinstall often, make an Installserver ! [16:02] Users frequently destroy their systems ;-) [16:02] Lin> Your users ll just have to press F12 at start [16:02] I have a Install server [16:02] It already configured [16:02] and running [16:02] Lin> So !!!! Install server use network update ! [16:02] nfs. mirror, ssh and everythingf else [16:02] Lin> FAI-CD use media update :( [16:02] dukez: here comes my SECOND problem [16:02] Lin> so ? why do you need the FAI-CD ? [16:02] some hosts has only WI-FI card [16:03] haha !! [16:03] it cant do net boot ;-( [16:03] unfortunely [16:03] some hosts == half them [16:03] dont laugh at me :-( [16:03] Lin> in my opinion, buy one PCMCIA Ethernet card, and use it for reinstall !! [16:05] pcmcia? how I will put pcmcia on my desktops? [16:05] Lin> or PXE over Wifi exist [16:05] AFAIK no [16:05] btw, where the wireless computers lies, there is no network cable [16:05] just radio waves ;-) [16:06] ok [16:06] I was thinking [16:06] I will create a RED pen drive [16:06] called : EMERGENCY [16:06] Lin> lol [16:06] insert it and REBOOT! [16:07] it will reinstall the system configure all mount points and the network auth [16:07] then when a user make some mistake in his system. [16:08] Break the glass take the pen drive, remove the seal and insert on your computer (on usb port). Press reboot [16:08] funny manual! ;-) [16:08] Hey [16:08] yes [16:08] You can use PXE bot with wifi, [16:08] where did you read this? [16:09] ... please ... [16:09] ;-) [16:09] French forums .... [16:09] Use a hardware wifi gateway [16:09] im not french. Is it a *real* information. [16:09] as a access point? [16:09] Acticate gateway synch in the bios of desktops [16:09] And that must works [16:10] there is no bios on my wifi cards [16:10] its a dlink g-520 [16:10] ok [16:10] which card you're talking about? [16:10] orinoco? cisco? [16:11] i am looking for an english forum about it [16:12] please.. [16:14] Lin> your wireless cards doesnt supoort PXE ? [16:14] Lin> Do you know that ? [16:15] AFAIK not [16:15] So this is the bad point [16:15] I didn't read anything about this at boot time or in card manual [16:15] Because booting PXE throught wifi or ethernet is the same thing as i read [16:15] I can send a question to hardware supli [16:15] Lin> Just try to see if the Computer bios support Network booting [16:15] yes support [16:16] Lin> Try to activate it simply and you ll see ! [16:16] Lin> Does your wifi is using DHCP ? [16:16] yes [16:16] Lin> The DCHP is made by an appliance ? or a real DHCP3 unix server ? [16:16] dhcp server [16:16] linux\ [16:17] cool [16:17] so just give it a try ! [16:17] I will [16:17] ;-) [16:17] Try enable network booting [16:17] and you ll see [16:18] may the luck be with you !! [16:18] thakz 4 all help [16:46] Nick change: \sh -> \sh_away [16:52] hey [16:52] some fai dev are on ? [16:52] ZO ? [16:52] OZ ? [16:52] i got a scratch or 2 fighting with fai :( [16:52] i mean some advice about install_package and cross arch installation ^ [16:57] !ping oz [17:02] dukez, please ask your question - dont "randomly" ping people.. (and esp. without asking your questions..) [17:02] lol [17:03] i ma tying to make an i 386 NFSROOT on a AMD64 server. [17:03] The only problem i have is with the^$ù* install_packages script ! It try to download amd64 arch packges [17:03] Is there a way to bypass this problem ?? [17:05] i dont know :) maybe you need to create the nfsroot on i386, tar it and copy it over [17:06] no, i must create it on the installserver, because i have an installserver that knows how to rebuild itselft throught fai-cd. [17:06] i am looking for a setarch hack at the time [17:09] h01ger> do you know if FAI dev team is going to leave the install_packages script for a "better" solution ? [17:12] h01ger> i hope the setarch will fool install_packages script. [17:14] nomeata (nobody@nomeata.de) joined #fai. [17:17] dukez, if you give us a better solution... ;) [17:17] hi nomeata [17:19] hi h01ger [17:21] dukez> Hmmm, i dont know how to handle arch in perl, but in C, you can make a syscall(SYS_personality) to foll the architecture [17:22] just an idea [17:22] Using this technique, perhaps can you handle an -arch switch with install_packages :) [17:22] dukez, file a wishlist bug then... [17:22] this is not a bug :) just an evolution [17:22] (and i dont think install_packages will be rewritten in c, if only for the fact that it would make the resulting binary arch-dependend, doh. [17:23] Lin (~igor@200.179.57.57) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [17:23] h01ger> does the fai-multidistrib handle different architecture ? [17:23] dukez, wishlist bugs are bugs :) [17:23] dukez, multidistri is targeted at multiple distros, not archs :) [17:23] h01ger> doest u plan to make fai evolved multi arch ? so ? [17:26] h01ger> perhaps installing install_packge inside the NFSROOT and running it from there thourght a chroot might be a solution to handle multiarch NFSROOT :) [17:26] fai is multiarch. it just doesnt work the way you want :-D [17:27] dukez, that only works on i386+amd64 and only in one direction... [17:27] h01ger> i mean by multi arch that fai can cross-arch produce NFSROOT [17:28] h01ger> and it seems to me that is it not truly the case without handmakde hacks :) [17:29] but i not a real FAI pro still [17:29] i just got a quite good lvl ) [17:29] lvl? [17:29] debootstrap cannot setup chroots for other archs, thats the core problem. [17:30] FALSE !!!! [17:30] debootstrap --arch ! [17:30] it make it ! [17:30] I use '--arch i386' in my FAI_DEBOOTSTRAP to try to make an i386 NFSROOT on an amd64 machine :) [17:31] send patches or file bugs at least [17:31] surely if i found a workable solution i ll contribute [17:31] h01ger: hm. we did something similar we fiddled with live-package [17:31] believe me [17:31] i love fai [17:32] dukez: what exactly does you thing now? [17:32] install_packages sucks ^^ [17:33] it takes the first amd64 client to build the nfsroot an sends it back to the server, or what? [17:33] i can't i got an auto generated installserver thourgt fai-cd [17:34] so i'll find a solution to make the i386 NFSROOT from the AMD64, even if i must wrap the make-fai-nfsroot inside a bigger hand made script :) [17:34] i can't do it cause i got * [17:34] my make-fai-nfsroot works expect for the last stage : adding NFSROOT class packages :( [17:34] without any modification to fai 3.1.8 for the moement [17:35] i ll find a way [17:35] i hope [17:35] dukez: hehe, I also built a cd doing that [17:35] that why fai is a great project : you can auto regenerate all your platform with 1 or 2 CD ! [17:48] Lin (~igor@200.179.57.57) joined #fai. [17:48] hi all!! [17:49] my fai is complaing about: fai-savelog ssh: command not found (and scp too). Why this happened? [17:50] in fai nfs I could not find a ssh binary [17:50] grub either. [17:50] any tips? [17:51] I chrooted to nfsroot and installed ssh and grub [17:51] is it ok? [17:54] mostly [17:56] dukez: now my fai client is compaing about: cannot connect to portmap on local host (why it is trying this?) [17:57] where fai store the log? [17:57] now a lot of errors about shell operator error. while mounting [17:58] [: 93: ==: unexpected operator. [17:58] is it normal? [18:00] where can I find failogs? [18:01] there is anyplace to discover which clients are doing instalations right now? [18:57] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [19:08] nomeata (nobody@nomeata.de) left irc: Quit: Client exiting [19:27] MT_ (~MT@91.112.19.42) joined #fai. [19:33] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [19:57] hi.. how can I set a specific class to be installed on a host (or group of hosts)? [20:14] less /usr/share/doc/fai/examples/simple/class/5* [20:14] or s/fai/fai-doc/ :) [20:20] MT (~MT@91.112.19.42) joined #fai. [20:20] MT_ (~MT@91.112.19.42) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:49] h01ger: thankz ;-) [21:49] I have read already easy and smooth [21:49] h01ger: there is any workaround to install java nonfree ? [21:50] MT (~MT@91.112.19.42) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [21:50] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [22:20] MT_ (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [22:20] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:38] Yo all, i found a solution for install_packages to handle multi architecture [22:38] apt-get -o APT::Architecture="i386" install tcpdump [22:39] to force architecture :) [22:41] dukez: hehe dunno. [22:42] but good anyway [22:42] ;-) [22:43] dukez: im installing these classes FAIBASE DHCPC UBUNTU but it wont intalling my kernel. I have to add DEFAULT class or add some kernel? [22:43] dukez: but the DEMO or SERVEr didn´ t has anything related kernels. [22:47] no [22:47] FAIBASE has it.. but my instaled system are without a kernel image.. [22:47] norammy it install the kernel [22:47] I really dunno why its hapenning [22:48] FAIBAE must install the kernle [22:48] LIN you NFSROOT semms broken as i read the channel history [22:48] a [22:48] yes.. it seems [22:48] are you sure you make-fa-nfsroot runned correctly ? [22:49] are you cross architecture installing ? [22:49] no i386 only [22:49] strange [22:49] after the install in /tmp/fai/software.log [22:49] check for the inux-image installation [22:49] i setup to reboot after install [22:50] did you see it ? [22:50] dont reboot and heck it via sshing on the serv [22:50] -IFv right? [22:52] yes [22:52] it must not reboot automagically [22:52] unless you hit a key [22:52] another thing.. where I setup the /etc/hosts file to be copied to destination system [22:52] ? [22:52] use Ctrl+C to get the shell [22:52] but CTRL+C didn't stop the instalation? [22:52] not at the end [22:53] read the last message you ll see [22:53] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [22:53] ok [22:53] MT_ (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:53] can to make a handwritten version of /etc/hosts [22:53] dukez: I discovered where. ;-) [22:53] NFSROOT_ETC_HOSTS="10.1.1.203 aptproxy.ibeu.org.br aptproxy" [22:53] build a script to make it [22:53] yes [22:53] ok [22:54] you need it in configuration [22:54] reinstaling [22:54] but this flag is only used in the nfsroot [22:54] humrum... another thing... my fai isn't logging [22:54] maybe something with my SSH cert. [22:54] you haven't settup correctly logserver [22:55] or perhaps it is using faimond [22:55] connections [22:55] and Im having problem to configure HPLIP cause it need cups being configured first. [22:55] HPLIP : i don't know it ! sry :( [22:55] i don't kno weerything ^^ [22:55] dukez: hum rum.. there is no way to preinstall something? [22:56] or re-run the aptitude ugrade just to clean up everything? [22:56] the scripts fall under fai/scripts/CLASS right? [22:57] fai/config/scripts/class [22:57] this is damn good ;-) [22:57] no [22:57] yes [22:57] o? [22:57] no? [22:58] ry [22:58] where then? [22:58] preinstallation is done throught packages_config [22:58] configuration throught scripts [22:58] humrum [22:58] or with debconf [22:58] root@arda:/srv/fai/config/package_config# cat UBUNTU [22:58] PACKAGES aptitude [22:58] ubuntu-minimal [22:58] ubuntu-standard [22:58] ubuntu-desktop [22:58] as this... [22:58] debconf-get-selections to see the configuration flags use b the package [22:59] yes [22:59] PACKAGES install is better in my opinion [22:59] cleaner [22:59] but it is the same thing likely [23:00] kernel is being fetched [23:00] right now.. [23:00] and installed ? [23:00] ok [23:00] first fetch. [23:00] ;-) [23:01] fetch finished [23:01] your prblm perhaps is the bootloader no ? [23:01] preconfigurin right now. [23:01] no [23:01] kernel isn't installed boot loade is [23:01] you have an empty /boot dir ? [23:01] yes [23:01] just /boot/grub/menu.lst [23:01] strange !!! has the package is fetched, i ll be installed [23:02] look for packages unpacking bugs so ^^ [23:02] linux-image-generic [23:02] ok [23:02] problem iwth sun-java6-jre [23:02] license could not be presented.. damn.. I want to install this [23:02] i didn't try it yet, it is new with etch [23:03] try to debconf it [23:03] I will try preseed it [23:03] install it on an other computer [23:03] wait... [23:03] please [23:03] debconf-get-selections /pipe grep sun-java-jre [23:03] Lin> i must go to bed [23:04] Lin> i ll help you tomorrow [23:04] dukez: night [23:04] Lin> i am at home throug VNS on my compani computer and it is awfully slow ^^ [23:04] want to log on a shell? [23:04] I have a server ;-) [23:04] I can create an accont 2 u [23:04] problems with ssl-cert [23:04] i can't i am througt a VPN [23:05] oh.. ok.. I know what is this ;-) [23:05] i 'll not make 2 bounce to ssh right at this time [23:05] tomorrow i'll help you for sure [23:05] gnight [23:05] sleep well [23:05] sun-java5-bin shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1 boolean true [23:05] sun-java5-jdk shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1 boolean true [23:05] sun-java5-jre shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1 boolean true [23:05] is what you want... [23:05] at this time, i was lauching make-fai-nfsroot with like hacks to cross build i386 NFSROOT on a AMD64 platform [23:05] MT: thankz ;-) [23:05] MT> i was sure of it [23:06] Lin> paste thiese lines in debconf/my_class [23:06] with s/5/6/ [23:06] ^^ [23:06] ;-) [23:06] ok [23:06] is that in debian already? [23:06] no [23:06] ubuntu [23:06] its desktop [23:06] not server [23:06] MT> do you know how to build an i386 NFSROOT on a AMD64 comp ? [23:07] MT> it is in etch ! [23:07] yeah, just found it [23:08] dukez, sorry, no idea... [23:08] debootstrap is just too slow ^^ [23:08] ok not a prblm [23:08] i ll make it i am sure :) [23:08] 844 seconds [23:08] good!! ;-) [23:09] Lin> so for your kernel ? [23:09] instalation [23:09] didn't reboot yet [23:09] no [23:09] dont do it [23:09] just get a shell [23:09] DAMN! [23:09] empty [23:09] and look at /boot [23:09] mmmmmmmmm [23:09] root@cyber1:/tmp/target/boot# ls [23:09] grub memtest86+.bin [23:09] grep linux-image /tmp/fai/software.log [23:10] anything revelant ? [23:10] install_packages: executing chroot /tmp/target aptitude -R -y -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" install memtest86+ dhcp3-client grub lilo- linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic cfengine2 cron debconf-utils discover file hdparm jove less linuxlogo nfs-common nscd rdate openssh-client openssh-server strace sysutils tcsh time postfix eject locales console-common pciutils usbutils bzip2 ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standa [23:10] rd ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-keyring ubuntu-artwork ubuntu-sounds ubuntu-restricted-extras [23:10] linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-generic [23:10] linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic linux-image-generic [23:10] Get:792 http://aptproxy.ibeu.org.br feisty/main linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic 2.6.20-14.22 [23.8MB] [23:10] ls /tmp/target/boot [23:10] Get:793 http://aptproxy.ibeu.org.br feisty/main linux-image-generic 2.6.20.14.12 [24.3kB] [23:10] I was on /tmp/target/boot [23:10] root@cyber1:/tmp/target/boot# ls /tmp/target/boot [23:10] grub memtest86+.bin [23:10] Lin> nothing saying unpacking ??? [23:11] AFAIK no ;-) [23:11] why? [23:11] chrooting to target. [23:11] dpkg -l linux-image-generic [23:11] un linux-image-generic (no description available) [23:11] omg! this is weird. [23:12] Unpacking linux-image-2.6.18-4-686-bigmem (from .../linux-image-2.6.18-4-686-big [23:12] mem_2.6.18.dfsg.1-10~bpo.1_i386.deb) ... [23:13] i got his [23:13] not on mine :-( [23:13] try apt-get install linux-image-686 [23:14] on my servs i was detecting CPU number and memory while i was using kernel from backports.org [23:14] in the chroot environment: apt-get install linux-image-generic worked [23:15] and it have installed a kernel in /boot ( chrooted ) [23:15] but it start to remove a lot of things [23:15] try to put a more specific kernel package inside package_config simply [23:16] your fai server is also ubuntuu ? [23:16] yes it is [23:16] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [23:16] it try to remove ALL my ubuntu packages [23:16] the list is too big. [23:17] loooooooooool [23:17] strange ! [23:17] appres beforelight bitmap cabextract capplets .... xvncviewer xwd xwininfo xwud [23:17] fr ? [23:17] 50 lines ;-) [23:17] fr? me? no .. im Brazilian [23:17] ok [23:18] i don't know why it is miss behaving this fai ... [23:18] neither I [23:18] check if you dont have package conflict or something like that [23:18] perhaps cross arch conflict [23:19] Im checking [23:19] server is also i386 ? [23:19] yes [23:19] beside linux-image dont conflict with anithing except old hotplug [23:19] and I havent hotplug on my system [23:19] mmm [23:20] try an apt-get -f install [23:20] just to check things perhaps on the chroot :) [23:20] i have put a reinstall on everything [23:20] and it accepted [23:20] without ANY conflicts [23:21] my dpkg selections are set a lot o deinstalls [23:21] most them XORG based [23:21] for sure it will take gnome and everything ubuntu related [23:31] bye all [23:31] i go to bed [23:31] perhaps cya tomoroow [23:32] i ll be on in 8 hours for 12 hours at least [23:32] dukez (~shinma@18.90-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com) left irc: [00:00] --- Fri Apr 13 2007