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| 07:42 nyal | hi Lin |
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| 09:32 dukez | Hello al ^^ |
| 09:34 dukez | just a question, how can i use FAI to install both x86_64 and i386 arch servers ? Do i have to make 2 fai distinct Nfsroot and configuration ? |
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| 10:30 dukez | just a question, how can i use FAI to install both x86_64 and i386 arch servers ? Do i have to make 2 fai distinct Nfsroot and configuration ? |
| 10:30 dukez | ^^ |
| 10:30 dukez | have a good lunch people near GMT +1 |
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| 11:05 mxpx- | dukez: |
| 11:05 mxpx- | you need an amd64 based server where you create an nfsroot for x86 and one for amd64 |
| 11:06 mxpx- | I'm doing this with a couple of month old fai version so back then there were quite a couple of tweaks necessary to get this going. |
| 11:07 mxpx- | so if you get stuck just query me |
| 11:25 glance | dukez: you can use one fai-server to install many diffrent arches. |
| 11:25 glance | i have a i386 server installing both i386 and amd64. |
| 11:25 glance | you just need a amd64 machine to build the nfsroot on. |
| 11:37 oz | year, once the nfsroot is built, no need for 2 fai servers |
| 11:38 \sh | glance: you are changing just the pxe bootable kernel, right? |
| 11:39 mxpx- | if you have a 32bit debian with a 64bit kernel you can even build bot nfs roots on the same machine |
| 11:39 mxpx- | both even |
| 11:41 glance | \sh: jupp |
| 11:42 glance | mxpx-: all my amd64 machines are to cool to just be installserver. |
| 11:45 oz | too cool to rule? ;) |
| 11:45 \sh | glance: I just wanted to be sure, not that I'm using some strange technique ;) |
| 11:45 glance | =) |
| 11:46 glance | i use the same machine to install 3 diffrent dists and both amd64 and i386 of eatch. |
| 11:50 dukez | ok |
| 11:51 dukez | glance> what are the other dists ? |
| 11:52 dukez | glance> i have a installserver with amd64, how can i build a i386 root on it ? |
| 11:52 glance | ubuntu. hoary,dapper and feisty. |
| 11:52 dukez | glance> k :) |
| 11:53 glance | dukez: yea.. |
| 11:55 dukez | glance> can the i386 root be build on a amd64 machine ? |
| 11:55 dukez | glance> or do i have to build it on a i386 machine ? |
| 11:56 dukez | glance> and copy it to the amd64 machine ? |
| 11:58 glance | that depeds on your kernel config. |
| 11:58 dukez | glance>i use ont he amd64 machine the default etch linux kernel image for amd64 |
| 12:01 \sh | dukez: debootstrap supports on amd64 both archs... |
| 12:01 \sh | dukez: when you are using a x86_64 kernel |
| 12:02 dukez | \sh> is there a way to build both x86_64 and i386 NFSROOT on my AMd64 serv usinf fai make-nfsroot-command ? |
| 12:03 dukez | \sh> or do i have to build the i386 by hand ? |
| 12:09 dukez | is there a way to build both x86_64 and i386 NFSROOT on my AMd64 serv usinf fai make-nfsroot-command ? |
| 12:12 \sh | dukez: you have in /etcv/fai/make-fai-nfsroot.conf (sp?) some debootstrap options, there you set the special commands for debootstrap...or you do it manually |
| 12:12 dukez | \sh> ok, simply adding the arch option to DEBOOTSRAP will be enougth ? |
| 12:13 dukez | \sh> i ll create /etc/fai-i386 and /etc/fai-x86_64 with symlinks to /etc/fai/fai.conf and custom make-fai-nfsroot.conf with arch option and the job is done s |
| 12:13 dukez | so ... |
| 12:23 dukez | \sh> thanks for all, the point was to add "--arch i386" or "--arch amd64" to FAI_DEBOOTSTRAP_OPTS |
| 12:23 dukez | ty |
| 12:38 sanso|work__ | dukez, thanks a lot for that question and answer! I always used a workaround for this. |
| 12:39 dukez | no problm |
| 12:39 sanso|work__ | so the contents of /etc/fai-i386 and /etc/fai-amd64 are the same, apart from make-fai-nfsroot.conf? |
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| 12:41 dukez | jsut a question, how can i install an i386 package on a amd64 etch using apt ? |
| 12:42 sanso|work | oh, something with --force-foo you sure you want to do this? |
| 12:42 dukez | yes |
| 12:42 dukez | to install both amd64 and i386 fai-kernels ^^ |
| 12:42 sanso|work | k |
| 12:42 dukez | i dont know if fai-kernel_amd64 is a i386 one or an amd64 one ! |
| 12:43 sanso|work | reading the pkg-name I'd guess it's an amd64.. |
| 12:43 dukez | me too |
| 12:43 dukez | that's why i rather install fai-kernel-[...]_i386 for my i386 NFSROOT :) |
| 12:44 sanso|work | that should be set in make-fai-nfsroot.conf, right? |
| 12:44 dukez | yes |
| 12:44 dukez | KERNELPACKAGE variable of make-fai-nfsroot.conf |
| 12:45 sanso|work | in /etc/fai-i386/NFSROOT |
| 12:45 dukez | what about /etc/fai-i386/NFSROOT ? |
| 12:46 dukez | nothing need to be change in this file i think |
| 12:46 sanso|work | put the name of the package in there and fai will install it on the nfsroot |
| 12:47 dukez | sanso> sure but the kernel installation is computed speciallly ( if i can say that ) |
| 12:47 dukez | sanso> it depends not on NFSROOT packages but on KERNELPACKAGE variable |
| 12:48 sanso|work | NFSROOT is for additional packages, so why not add your preferred kernel there? |
| 12:48 sanso|work | and You can always set KERNELPACKAGE to whatever you need |
| 12:48 sanso|work | I don't think You'll have to override architectures for that.. |
| 12:49 dukez | sanso> the problm will be : inside NFSROOT, the /vmlinuz image will be the KERNELPACKAGE one or the NFSROOT one ? i don't want to bother with it, i 'd rather use FAI configuration instead :) |
| 12:50 dukez | moreonver |
| 12:50 dukez | durint make-fai-nfsroot |
| 12:50 dukez | it does dpkg -x $KERNELPACKAGE $NFSROOT |
| 12:50 dukez | so the /vmlinux must be the KERNELPAKAGE one |
| 12:51 dukez | because it is made on the end of the script :( |
| 12:51 sanso|work | have you set KERNELPACKAGE to the desired version? |
| 12:51 dukez | yes |
| 12:51 sanso|work | and it died on you? |
| 12:51 dukez | died ? |
| 12:51 dukez | the make-faičpackage ? |
| 12:52 dukez | at 1st it died because /etc/fai-i386/apt was a symlink :) |
| 12:54 sanso|work | but then You fixed that and then what? |
| 12:54 dukez | it is running |
| 12:54 dukez | i ll tell you |
| 12:55 sanso|work | okay :) |
| Action: oz wonders a bit about /etc/fai-i386 |
| 12:56 dukez | :) |
| 12:56 dukez | why ? |
| 12:57 oz | seems a bit messy to me |
| 12:57 oz | what next=? /etc/fai-SPARC ? |
| 12:57 sanso|work | why not? Or better: how else? |
| 12:57 dukez | no next, the FAI dev 'll be cool enougth to make fai muli architecture :) |
| 12:58 oz | sanso|work: I think a solution via classes would be less messy |
| 12:58 sanso|work | via classes? during make-fai-nfsroot? |
| 12:59 sanso|work | how? |
| 12:59 sanso|work | I'd be happy to have a nicer solution |
| 12:59 dukez | oz> via classes ? how ? how can you transform an i386 etch to an amd64 one ? |
| 12:59 oz | sanso|work: you'd like to rebuild all nfsroots with one command? |
| 13:00 sanso|work | nope |
| 13:00 dukez | the solution is now : make-fai-nfsroot -C /etc/fai-i386 && make-fai-nfsroot -C /etc/fai-amd64, this is no too bad |
| 13:00 dukez | The complexity is now inside the DHCP conf to make it bounce to the right NFSROOT ^^ |
| 13:01 sanso|work | I need two different nfsroots for two different architectures, how can You do this with just one /etc/fai? |
| 13:02 oz | sanso|work: I'd need to go to my pool to check |
| Action: dukez wonders how well Oz is swimming ^^ |
| 13:03 oz | but I thought the make-fai-nfsroot is configured via make-fai-nfsroot.conf |
| 13:04 dukez | true |
| 13:04 sanso|work | ...which resides in /etc/fai |
| 13:06 oz | sanso|work: yes, but the sad thing is...make-fai-nfsroot reads also other files |
| 13:06 sanso|work | I know, You're the one who does the explaining here. |
| 13:06 sanso|work | Again: I need two different nfsroots for two different architectures, how can You do this with just one /etc/fai? |
| 13:07 oz | sanso|work: I just have to explain why I think /etc/fai-i386 is ugly |
| 13:07 oz | and that is simple: it's another directory to care of |
| 13:07 dukez | Oz> with symlink, it can be smart not ? |
| 13:07 oz | it violates the KISS principle |
| 13:07 sanso|work | oz, then how do You propose to do this using classes? |
| 13:07 oz | dukez: symliks would be just another workaround |
| 13:07 dukez | oz> i agree |
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| 13:08 sanso|work | we are well aware of that, but You said You'd do it using classes. |
| 13:08 sanso|work | How? |
| 13:08 dukez | oz> but how can you make a single config/install of FAI multi architecture ? The debootstrap is arch dependent ! |
| 13:09 dukez | sanso> it work this way, you just have to download the i386 version of fai-kernel package by hand and install it using dpkg -i |
| 13:10 sanso|work | dukez, on the nfsroot? |
| 13:10 sanso|work | via a chroot command or such, right? |
| 13:10 dukez | no simply wget http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/fai-kernels/fai-kernels_1.17+b1_i386.deb |
| 13:11 dukez | then dpkg -i the package |
| 13:11 dukez | and use KERNELPACKAGE=/usr/lib/fai/kernel/linux-.....i386/amd64 depending on the arch ! |
| 13:11 sanso|work | on which system? the nfsroot or the install server? |
| 13:11 dukez | on the installserver |
| 13:11 sanso|work | aaah.. |
| 13:11 sanso|work | gotcha |
| 13:11 sanso|work | cheers! |
| 13:13 dukez | dpkg --force-all -i the package to ovveride arch error ^^ |
| 13:14 sanso|work | dukez, you could file this as a bug against fai-multiarch ;) |
| 13:14 dukez | noo |
| 13:14 dukez | stop |
| 13:14 dukez | GRrrrrr |
| Action: sanso|work is just kidding |
| 13:14 dukez | there is a hick |
| 13:15 sanso|work | it's a replacement, as I just saw |
| 13:15 dukez | yes :( |
| 13:15 sanso|work | shite |
| 13:15 dukez | but, |
| 13:16 dukez | i found a trick ^^ |
| 13:17 dukez | install the i386, rename temporarly the kernel package, reinstall the amd64 one throught /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 13:17 dukez | and back rename the i386 one |
| 13:17 dukez | lol |
| 13:17 dukez | this is a Nasty trick |
| 13:17 sanso|work | yikes! |
| 13:17 dukez | i hate to do theses things |
| 13:18 dukez | oz> do you know if fai-kernels_1.17+b1_amd64.deb is a amd64 or i386 kernel ? |
| 13:19 dukez | And the answer is : |
| 13:19 dukez | Yes :((((((( |
| 13:19 dukez | CONFIG_X86_64=y |
| 13:19 dukez | CONFIG_64BIT=y |
| 13:19 dukez | CONFIG_X86=y |
| 13:20 oz | sanso|work: I'd just say "/etc/fai-i386" is an ugly solution. And if I remember correectly, you just need it for nfsroot creation |
| 13:20 oz | the platform always is assigned a class (I386, SPARC, etc) so, why not use this? |
| 13:21 sanso|work | this is what You said: <oz> sanso|work: I think a solution via classes would be less messy |
| 13:21 sanso|work | and I'm still wondering how you would do this |
| 13:22 oz | sanso|work: what are you wondering about? |
| 13:22 oz | you have the classes list |
| 13:23 oz | and you can extract the arch info from it |
| 13:23 sanso|work | how would You solve this problem with one /etc/fai and using classes? |
| 13:23 oz | you are free to provied any classes list... |
| 13:23 sanso|work | during make-fai-nfsroot? |
| 13:24 oz | sanso|work: year...I mean basically the confoig in /etc/fai should be a description of your infrastructure |
| 13:25 sanso|work | until now You only said "I'd do it using classes" but haven't answered how You would do this. So now, please answer how you would do this |
| 13:25 sanso|work | if You don't want to share this, then say so. |
| 13:28 oz | sanso|work: why so rough? |
| 13:29 oz | think a bit about the class concept |
| 13:29 sanso|work | Can't you just answer a question? |
| 13:30 oz | sanso|work: it's difficult for me when I have to access to my server |
| 13:30 sanso|work | I'm asking because I can't think of a better solution. If You have one, I'm asking You to share it |
| 13:30 sanso|work | is that so hard? |
| 13:31 oz | sanso|work: is it so hard to imagine that you can change make-fai-nfsroot to be dependent on a class list? |
| 13:31 oz | btw, I have to work a bit |
| 13:32 sanso|work | yes, it is so hard. I am not blessed with Your overwhelming insight into the truths of the world. |
| 13:32 sanso|work | why else would I ask? |
| 13:33 sanso|work | again, in case You didn't read: I'm asking because I can't think of a better solution. If You have one, I'm asking You to share it |
| 13:34 oz | and I told you what I can tell you now. |
| 13:34 sanso|work | so You don't have a better solution |
| 13:35 oz | so, just think of me a a stupid asshole - and it should be okay with you. |
| 13:35 sanso|work | it'll save time and nerves for all of us if You could just say so next time |
| 13:35 dukez | oz> The NFSROOT is arch dependant, while booting with FAI, you will be on a AMD64 Etch or a I386 Etch depending the arch of the NFSROOT. |
| 13:36 dukez | Oz> Has the NFSROOT is the 1st stage of booting before FAI is run how can you change arch when fai take the hand ? |
| 13:36 sanso|work | oz, If someone asks you how and You don't know, just use something like "i don't know" |
| 13:36 oz | sanso|work: don't bother me. I said that I need to go to my pool. |
| 13:36 oz | I don't know all script by heart |
| 13:37 sanso|work | then don't hint at that You do and all is fine |
| 13:37 oz | sanso|work: I I gave you a hint, you could think of it yourself. |
| 13:37 sanso|work | this is not about not knowing, but about wasting everybodys time by hinting at having a solution |
| 13:37 oz | don't blame ppl trying to give a hint. |
| 13:38 dukez | Oz> perhaps booting with a i386 NFSROOT, we can install a AMD64 Etch but the question is how :) |
| 13:38 dukez | Oz> Do you know ? |
| 13:40 dukez | Oz> How the architecture is managed during the FAI installation ? |
| 13:41 oz | dukez: the i386 prolly has a i386 sources.list |
| 13:43 dukez | oz> does it is as simple as setting I386 or AMD64 class to make fai install Debian Etch i386 or Debian Etch AMD64 ? |
| 13:45 oz | dukez: no, not yet |
| 13:45 oz | that was an absoulte developers remark |
| 13:45 oz | I'd hacked something a year ago |
| 13:46 dukez | k |
| 13:47 dukez | oz> how can with class and script can we pilot AMD64 vs I86 installation . |
| 13:47 dukez | oz> can you explain me ? |
| 13:47 dukez | oz> do you know how ? |
| 13:50 dukez | oz> The 1st step during a debian installation is the unpacking of base.tgz archive, do you agree ? |
| 13:51 oz | dukez: hm. I also think base.tgz is ugly. ;) |
| 13:52 oz | and I don't know if the standard debian install uses base.tgz |
| 13:52 dukez | oz> yes it is the standard way, the Debian installer use it |
| 13:52 dukez | oz> the base.tgz is arch dependant and is found by FAI inside the NFSROOT in /var/tmp/base.tgz exactly |
| 13:53 oz | dukez: that was the point I stopped when I worked on fai-cd... |
| 13:53 dukez | oz > this image is arch dependant, it means that base.tgz for AMD64 is different than the base.tgz for I86 |
| 13:53 oz | and somewhat h01ger and me agreed that the base.tgz is ugly |
| 13:54 oz | we used debootstrap instead |
| 13:54 dukez | oz> so, without changing the way FAI use NFSROOT |
| 13:54 dukez | debootstrap is also arch dependant |
| 13:54 dukez | deboostrap --arch i386 or debootstrap --arch amd64 |
| 13:54 dukez | it ll create you 2 different base OS |
| 13:55 oz | dukez: yes, but iirc it's just the switch |
| 13:55 dukez | The point is that without modifing FAI NFSROOT process, you can make a NFSROOT multi architecture in my opinion. |
| 13:55 dukez | oz> because FAI use a 1 to 1 relation between base.tgz and NFSROOT |
| 13:56 dukez | oz> if FAI was using one arch for the NFSROOT and all the arch for the installation it would be cool, but it is not |
| 13:56 dukez | oz> the simplier way is so to hack the make-fai-nfsroot process to build 2 NFSROOT and boot on the good arch one |
| 13:56 dukez | dukez > oz > it is not so awfull, and it is simple to configure |
| 13:57 oz | dukez: do you have an account for the fai wiki? |
| 13:57 dukez | oz> moreover, you can imagine jhaving one more NFSROOT for RedHat, and one more NFSROOT for Gentoo ^^ |
| 13:57 dukez | oz> na :( |
| 13:57 oz | dukez: would you mind if I note that in it? |
| 13:58 dukez | oz > making youi FAI installserver an All word distribution install server with other soft, like the GPL project to install Windows throught Network with Samba ^^ |
| 13:58 dukez | oz > no |
| 13:58 oz | I share your thoughts |
| 13:58 dukez | oz> you can |
| 13:58 dukez | oz > contribute is the key point to make software GPL developpment ^ |
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| 13:58 oz | dukez: do you know that it's easy to install windowzes using sysprep and partimage? |
| 13:59 oz | problem of the wiki is my password... |
| 14:00 oz | I always have it 'somewhere' |
| 14:00 oz | just like my pool, which is 'somehwere' |
| 14:00 dukez | 'somwhere' must be in your mind ^^ |
| 14:00 oz | oooh. I'm so narrow-minded :) |
| 14:01 dukez | buy some free space ! |
| 14:01 dukez | have a cookie |
| 14:01 dukez | eat some fish |
| 14:01 dukez | ^^ |
| 14:01 oz | at least...my work seems to be done now. |
| 14:01 dukez | oz> you work on ? Computers ? |
| 14:02 oz | yes |
| 14:02 dukez | oz> Sysadmin ? Teacher ? |
| 14:02 dukez | oz> Developper ? |
| 14:04 oz | dukez: hm. I have a new job, and it's not sure, yet. :) |
| 14:04 oz | all of it, somewhat |
| 14:04 dukez | oz> In which country ? |
| 14:04 oz | .de |
| 14:04 dukez | me .fr |
| 14:04 oz | uh-lala...where? |
| 14:04 dukez | Oz> Working with Mr FAI ? |
| 14:04 dukez | oz> Paris !!! |
| 14:05 oz | dukez: no, I'm not working with Mr Fai, exept on FAI |
| 14:05 oz | dukez: paris is neat |
| 14:06 dukez | dukez>not to much, i'd rather the countryside, i don't like "big cities". |
| 14:11 oz | dukez: /me neither |
| 14:11 oz | I live in Freiburg |
| 14:12 dukez | oz> Just a word : FAI is so cool, thanks to helping developping it ^^ |
| 14:12 oz | dukez: join the fun :) |
| 14:12 dukez | oz > I am helping a teamate debugging is "too slow" Jboss/Debian server .... |
| 14:12 dukez | oz > a real "narrow minded" one ! |
| 14:28 oz | :) |
| 14:28 oz | dukez: my job also is to debug other ppl's server |
| Action: h01ger just commited git support for get-config-dir |
| 14:40 oz | hey, h01ger |
| 14:42 h01ger | hey oz - danke fuer die gruesse :) |
| 14:43 oz | hehe, spass gehabt in HH? |
| 14:46 h01ger | ja, war entspannend :) |
| 14:49 oz | fein :) |
| 14:57 oz | h01ger: btw, what was the prob with fai-cd? |
| 14:58 h01ger | mk-bootcd was removed/is buggy |
| 14:58 oz | how did you fix it? |
| 14:59 h01ger | by using live-package |
| 14:59 oz | h01ger: ? |
| 14:59 oz | I am confused...we used live-package ever since? |
| Action: h01ger is annoyed that fcopy exits with 1 if no file was copied because its up2date |
| 15:00 h01ger | oz, the sarge version (of mk-bootcd) works too, thats the other option. |
| 15:00 h01ger | faicd is a bit messy atm |
| 15:01 oz | h01ger: the mess is - I don't find time |
| 15:01 dukez | genisoimage is the remplacement or mk-bootcd |
| 15:01 h01ger | what do you do re: fcopy exits with an error if file is already uptodate. "fcopy -i" or "|| true" ? |
| 15:03 h01ger | dukez, genisoimage creates an iso images. thats not enough (it needs to be bootable, include a kernel, foo). live-package also gives you nice icecream on top :) |
| 15:04 oz | ...and the fantastic and absoulte necessary splash-screen ;) |
| 15:06 dukez | genisoimage can make a bootable CD too |
| 15:06 dukez | for the kernel, i dont know how it works ... |
| 15:07 dukez | but man genisoimage | grep kernel is not empty .... |
| 15:07 dukez | so i think there are the needed option for the kernel |
| 15:07 oz | .o0(sheit - so many options) |
| 15:07 dukez | true |
| 15:07 dukez | it is a "All bullshit in once" tool box ^^ |
| 15:08 oz | h01ger: is live-pkg now working with usb-stick out-of-the-box? |
| 15:13 h01ger | i dont know, havent followed it recently |
| 15:14 oz | that'd be quite charming, to install fai via usb-stick |
| Action: h01ger nods |
| 15:27 nyal | oz, i have done a fai-cd |
| 15:27 nyal | i have given information to MrFai |
| 15:42 nyal | i use bootcd-mkinitramfs |
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| 18:30 Lin | hi all |
| 18:30 Lin | fai kernel (from package) has support to atheros wifi cards? |
| 18:32 Lin | there is any wifi card with support for PXE or any remote boot method? |
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| 19:40 Lin | what is the better way to do automatic instalations pressed or fai? |
| 20:19 juri__ | you're in #fai. what do you expect the common answer here to be? :) |
| 20:22 Lin | juri__: ;-) good to know.. |
| 20:23 Lin | juri__: there is *anyway* to do a netboot using wireless cards? or the fai floppy supports atheros card (madwifi)? |
| 20:34 Lin | i will relog and come back 2 minutes |
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| 20:41 juri__ | lin: in a short word, no. its possible to boot, then request a rootfs/etc using a prism or orinoco or proper cisco card.. but only with in-kernel drivers, and major hacking. |
| 20:45 Lin | juri__: damn god! im *ucked |
| 20:46 Lin | just prism or orinoco? atheros can't do it? :-/ |
| 20:46 Lin | i really dont care for major hacking.. |
| 20:48 Lin | I really forgot to research about boot from network with wireless cards. I have bought 160 computers with atheros cards. I really need to make them boot from network. Using a pendrive or floppy or cd, I really don care.. since user has no interaction at all. Just insert the media and let it go :-/ Any ideas juri? |
| 20:52 Lin | (or anyone else ;-) |
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| 21:31 Lin | ... since that there is no way to do automatic boot from network with wifi card. There is anyway to customize fai kernel to be inserted on disk? to do a usb/floppy disk boot to start the installation with the tools needed to configure the wifi card and start the installation? |
| 21:51 juri__ | atheros requires firmware loads. |
| 21:51 juri__ | yuck. you've got yourself in a pickle. :) |
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| 21:52 juri__ | you could build a custom usb stick to do it. |
| 22:06 Lin | juri__: there is anyway explaining the right way(tm) to do this? |
| 22:07 Lin | s/anyway/anywhere/ |
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